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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97626: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:27:23 AM

[up][up]Imma bookmark this post so I can finish the speech whenever the MCU has its first flop.

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
Red Lagoon
#97627: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:28:51 AM

Tropers/Ultimatum first we will have to get multiple bad/controversial movies in row that will be in the end still profitable, before audience loose faith in brand and cause movie flop. As long as they MCU can at least maintain fifty-fifty hit and miss ratio they should be fine.

Edited by Tenzen12 on Mar 6th 2019 at 6:30:18 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#97628: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:29:59 AM

I’ll argue that Incredible Hulk is pretty bad. It’s painfully mediocre at best. I also despise Age of Ultron and think it’s terrible but I know that’s a your mileage may vary opinion. Ditto for Doctor Strange which I hated.

Edited by wisewillow on Mar 6th 2019 at 12:30:20 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#97629: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:33:50 AM

Age of Ultron was pretty "bleh". "Bleh" is the most polite word I can use to describe it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97630: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:34:58 AM

The incredible Hulk is mostly incredible generic and there is a reason why the MCU often acts as if the movie doesn't exist. But I wouldn't call it bad. It is competently made, and on a technical level, there is little to complain about. It's just offensively okay.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97631: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:37:41 AM

I dunno, I always liked TIH, mostly because of how unapologetic it is about homaging the Bill Baxter show, which I watched a bit as a kid.

So yeah, nostalgia baiting which I'm perfectly willing to bite.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#97632: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:38:40 AM

Incredible Hulk is a big ol' meme. It's the MCU movie I'm least interested in watching, easily.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Mar 6th 2019 at 9:41:22 AM

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#97633: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:15:05 AM

The Incredible Hulk is the only MCU movie out so far that I haven't seen,note  and by most reactions to it, I'm kinda hesitant to try it.

Out of the rest of the movies, Iron Man 2 is the only one I didn't find myself enjoying at any point from start to finish. Even Thor 2 has a few nice moments buried what I found to be a very bland movie altogether.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97634: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:23:33 AM

What are some of the most quotable lines for you?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97635: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:24:35 AM

"I could do this all day"

It so perfectly encapsulates Cap's character, I just love it!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#97636: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:24:55 AM

Only Iron Man 3 for me.

Even the other movies people seem to dislike (TIH, Iron Man 2, Thor the Dark World, and AOU) don't gain my ire as quickly as IM 3 did.

One Strip! One Strip!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97637: Mar 6th 2019 at 10:40:44 AM

I dunno, I always liked TIH, mostly because of how unapologetic it is about homaging the Bill Baxter show, which I watched a bit as a kid.
Bill Bixby.

The Incredible Hulk was the only MCU film I didn't see in theaters, but it's not terrible. It's just kind of generic. Although it does have some funny scenes — like Bruce and Betty trying to get a cap in New York and Betty furiously yelling at the cabdriver, causing Bruce to ask if she needs some calming exercises.

Thor: The Dark World is also one I haven't rewatched because it was very middling. Age of Ultron, however, is awesome and I love it, although I still contend that it needs more breathing room — Joss was so intent on cutting things, he cut too much of the connective tissue and didn't let the character moments breath. But then again, there was so much fighting between Joss and Marvel on that one (they hated the farm scenes and wanted them taken out, Joss hated the Thor-lake scene and wanted it taken out, etc), it's a wonder that it's as good as it is.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97638: Mar 6th 2019 at 11:10:15 AM

At the very least, I respect AOU (cast-off) a hell of a lot more than The Avengers, because stuff actually happens in it, rather than the cast just sitting around waiting for the climax to come.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97639: Mar 6th 2019 at 11:17:17 AM

Man did they fuck over Ultron though.

Turned the poor bastard into a total wimp.

[down] Alright then.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 6th 2019 at 11:21:08 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#97640: Mar 6th 2019 at 11:19:56 AM

[up]Uh, maybe swap out that last word. Makes people uncomfortable.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#97641: Mar 6th 2019 at 11:23:24 AM

I also like Age of Ultron for the most part. It falls apart in the third act, or perhaps a bit towards the end of the second (with all the rushed exposition during and after Vision's birth), but I appreciate just how thematically rich the movie was.

The action sequences were needlessly long, though, especially the final one in Sokovia. In terms of pacing, I think Avengers 1 was the technically better movie, though I do like AOU more.

AzLiddell from A to Z Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#97642: Mar 6th 2019 at 1:29:39 PM

I thought that Iron Man 3 and Thor Ragnarok are the only downright awful MCU films, and I'm very aware that I am in the minority with the case of the latter. Even the weaker films are still passable and entertaining in their own righ, but in the case of Iron Man 3, and Ragnarok; I thought they had extremely poor scripts.

Age of Ultron is one of the weaker films, and I contribute that to its extremely poor editing. Most of the scenes, taken individually, are fine, some are even great. The movie that they form together was a huge mess, and no doubt it was because the original cut was far longer. I actually felt Age of Ultron's theatrical cut was far worse than Dawn of Justice's, and it always bothered me that the former got a pass for it.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#97643: Mar 6th 2019 at 1:37:14 PM

I’ll argue that Incredible Hulk is pretty bad.

Yeah shit sucks. The script never gives the narrative any room to breathe, and it never properly establishes any of the characters except for maybe Blonski and General Ross, the former being Tim Roth doing his best with the weak material he was given and the latter a gigantic asshole. So it becomes impossible to care about anything that happens. Even the fight scenes are pretty meh.

I've only ever seen TIH twice, once in theaters when it was out and then again not that long ago. The first time it left absolutely no impression on me whatsoever. The second time just made the film even worse.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 6th 2019 at 5:41:28 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#97644: Mar 6th 2019 at 1:51:51 PM

Didn't the pilot to Inhumans see a limited release in IMAX theaters? Because if so, that's the worse MCU product to see a theatrical release, no contest.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97645: Mar 6th 2019 at 1:57:31 PM

[up] I wouldn't really count that, since it was never meant to be a movie, only the pilot to a TV show. But yes, that is probably the worst thing that has ever been made in the MCU.

Sorry, no, it was the later plotline where Karnak bumps his head, loses his powers, gets involved with some pot smugglers, and has sex with the female pot smuggler. That was the worst thing that has ever been made in the MCU.

(If you are asking if I'm making any of that up: no, no I am not. That seriously happened in the show about the Inhumans. It had nothing to do with the main plot at all or any of the characters. Just...pot smugglers.)

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#97646: Mar 6th 2019 at 1:58:38 PM

[up]It's like every new piece of info I hear about Inhumans makes it worse.

This song needs more love.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#97647: Mar 6th 2019 at 2:03:23 PM

I was about to say while I consider Dark World and IM 3 subpar, I can’t think of anything from the MCU that would be outright BAD.

Then I read that line and changed my mind. Feige must be so happy Marvel gets the X-Men back after Dark Phoenix.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97648: Mar 6th 2019 at 2:06:58 PM

Pearlmutter really did ruin the Inhumans brand.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97649: Mar 6th 2019 at 2:10:10 PM

To be fair, it was a fun show to snark at. It hit that sweet spot of So Bad, It's Good several times — like Medusa's hair being shaved by an electric razor or, for some reason, everyone somehow being in Hawaii, when they started on the moon (tax breaks, man, tax breaks) or Gorgon not even pretending to have goat's hooves (he wears boots). Also, Maximus did chew a ton of scenery.

But man, I feel so bad for all the actors. They thought they were going to be a part of this big, epic show about this secret kingdom a la Asgard...and they got a tiny budget, a short schedule, and a bad showrunner.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 6th 2019 at 2:10:51 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97650: Mar 6th 2019 at 2:12:15 PM

Inhumans? I have no idea what you are talking about (and I'll stick to that story).

I second "I can do it all day" and add "I'll be with you till the end of the line."


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