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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#97601: Mar 5th 2019 at 1:39:17 PM

[up]OTOH, if the film suffers a major drop in the box office on the second weekend, the trolls will take credit and the media outlets are going to do premature MCU post-mortems or "Is The MCU In Trouble?" headlines, like they did with Star Wars after The Last Jedi.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 5th 2019 at 4:39:46 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#97602: Mar 5th 2019 at 1:43:50 PM

[up][up][up] It'll die down as the trolls move on to the next thing to rage about, but there's a difference between that and the trolls admitting they were wrong.

There will be people who get won over by the actual movie certainly, but with maybe a handful of rare exceptions they won't be from the core group of trolls who are dedicated to hating on the movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97603: Mar 5th 2019 at 2:13:25 PM

The film will mostly suffer a steep drop in the second week because Marvel movies nearly always do. They tend to be very top-lastig.

And the trolls won't stop anytime soon. This isn't just about Captain Marvel, it is about the future of the MCU as a whole. They are convinced it is in danger, so they won't stop raging about it anytime soon.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 5th 2019 at 2:14:55 AM

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
Red Lagoon
#97604: Mar 5th 2019 at 2:33:12 PM

There are no troll movement capable making movie get such low scores for expectation. Majority people are reasonable if movie is good it will be a knowledged.

Honestly most backslash comes from shill media's, if these were more honest Bri could say whatever she wanted and noone would care (much) and give CM benefit of doubt from get to go.

Edited by Tenzen12 on Mar 5th 2019 at 11:36:32 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97605: Mar 5th 2019 at 4:49:11 PM

Honestly most backslash comes from shill media's, if these were more honest Bri could say whatever she wanted and noone would care (much) and give CM benefit of doubt from get to go.
This is demonstrably untrue. We know this because Brie did say what she wanted and the trolls erupted. Also "shill media"? To whom are you referring to?

Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#97606: Mar 5th 2019 at 5:29:59 PM

"You can tell Captain Marvel isn't going to be very good by the way reviewers are bending over backwards to avoid this conclusion." — Actual, real quote from a famous conservative pundit.

Like holy shit how does a human being get their head that far up their own ass?

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Mar 5th 2019 at 5:45:37 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97607: Mar 5th 2019 at 5:44:42 PM

That sentence does not make an ounce of sense.

Good Lord I feel stupider reading that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#97608: Mar 5th 2019 at 5:48:18 PM

There's a recent Forbes article stating that self-driving cars are more likely to hit people with darker skin color. The article itself mentions that the reason for this - the cars are programmed to see darker colors as non-human objects, seeing white as the default. For some time, facial recognition software was also programmed the same way.
When I saw the article, the top reaction was hundreds of "laugh" reacts, and many of the top comments were from people suggesting that non-white people were looking for things to be offended by, despite no one doing that, and again, the article mentioning the reasoning for why that sad trend exists.

I bring that up to say this: just look around the internet - bigots and hateful people will jump on pretty much any chance, unprompted, to tear down disadvantaged people and pretend they're making things up.

It's easy to shift the blame to "the media", but let's try to keep some personal accountability in all of this. Hell, I decided to follow Forbes, The Economist, and other sources precisely because they lean more to the American Right wing and I wanted to break my bubble. But look in the comments and any article that out of lock-step with the new far-right, the comments talk about how those sources are caving or being taken over by the Left wing. Just more "I disagree with objective reality, statistics, opinion, observation, etc., so therefore the media must be the problem."

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 5th 2019 at 7:52:57 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97609: Mar 5th 2019 at 5:50:48 PM

That is ....... I’m not sure what to say.

The fucking Hell.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#97610: Mar 6th 2019 at 6:52:37 AM

Re:Captain Marvel and the trolls

I think one should be wary of power trolls don't have,if it does poorly it wont be because of trolls

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
Red Lagoon
#97611: Mar 6th 2019 at 6:58:11 AM

[up][up]Far right? There is only few of them and they are far too busy stockpile weapons, plans for apocalypse and beating antifa to to troll movie sites.

In other hand even majority of left knows there is practically no media that doesn't public fake news and/or isn't partisan.

Edited by Tenzen12 on Mar 6th 2019 at 4:02:28 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#97612: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:06:06 AM

Two of my internet friends got to see the movie and they thought it was a lot of fun. Saturday cannot come fast enough. grin

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#97613: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:58:25 AM

As for how well Captain Marvel is going to do, it's apparently tracking for a $350 million global opening.

Given that it's production budget was $152 million and the general guideline is that a movie needs to make twice it's budget to be considered profitable, that just about puts it above water after the opening weekend alone.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97614: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:19:35 AM

Box-Office predictions are rather notoriously unreliable, but a 250-300kk seems a reasonable estimate.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97615: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:36:53 AM

I'm sure it will make its money. The question isn't really if it will be profitable, but how profitable.

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
Red Lagoon
#97616: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:49:02 AM

Yep. At this point it's pretty much impossible for MCU movie to be flop.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97617: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:50:13 AM

They've cemented a refined level of general quality unmatched by most franchises.

I think every franchise should get a Kevin Feige.

Dragon Ball certainly needs him & so does Gundam.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 6th 2019 at 8:50:32 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#97619: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:07:24 AM

I don't think there's been a movie in the MCU proper that's been outright bad. Thor 2, IM 2 & 3 have plenty of flaws but they aren't terrible. Just... Bleh.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97620: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:09:34 AM

I think The Dark World came the closest to being an unwatchable mess, but last minute reshoots just put it over the line.

Thus said, our expectations have grown. I don't think Phase one quality flies that well today. We want our Winter Soldier at every turn.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#97621: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:10:26 AM

One day they'll make a flop,it happens to everyone eventually

Nothing is impossible

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#97622: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:11:25 AM

Even the worst ones are at least watchable and have things I could note that I liked.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97623: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:12:51 AM

Every franchise either ends, or lasts long enough to become shit.

There's no middles ground.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#97624: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:16:47 AM

Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97625: Mar 6th 2019 at 9:19:42 AM

That line is so quotable.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 6th 2019 at 9:19:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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