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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97376: Mar 1st 2019 at 3:11:49 PM

Then it became popular in spite of that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#97377: Mar 1st 2019 at 3:15:24 PM

People were used to it. Not because they liked it or even thought it was okay, but because there was a sense that every movie was like that, so you had to learn to just ignore it. And over time, we reached the point where there were enough movies without gratuitous sexism that avoiding the sexist movies was actually an option.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97378: Mar 1st 2019 at 3:33:14 PM

Then it became popular in spite of that.
Lots of things are popular, that doesn't make them good or acceptable. Hell, in the '50s and '60s, racism was popular, but you wouldn't say "Well, that was acceptable back then." No, it wasn't, but the tipping point of enough people realizing that "racism was bad" hadn't happened yet. Once it did, it no longer became prudent to be express racist beliefs in public. But something racist then is still racist now.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 1st 2019 at 3:34:00 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97379: Mar 1st 2019 at 3:46:11 PM

So it was begrudgingly accepted back then overtime it didn’t.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 1st 2019 at 3:47:16 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#97380: Mar 1st 2019 at 4:30:07 PM

Venkman was a scientist (a huckster scientist, but a scientist all the same). Sedatives are a science thing. Therefore, I assume all scientists carry that stuff around with them.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97381: Mar 1st 2019 at 4:34:05 PM

They all also have secret basements and all know where other scientists' labs are.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#97382: Mar 1st 2019 at 4:40:23 PM

Venkman wasn't carrying a roofie. He specifically said it was thorazine, a significantly more powerful sedative that would likely not be practical for date rapists because it risks actually killing people.

As for why he had thorazine, I'm pretty sure the writers' thought process was: 1) In this scene, we need to tranquilize Zuul. 2) Venkman is a scientist, so he has access to chemicals. The question of why he would have enough sedative to fill a can of coke on his way to a date likely never crossed their minds. It's a plot hole.

I get it - the 80s were a time when a lot of very not cool stuff showed up in popular media without anyone questioning it. However, suggesting that a character intended to rape another character just because that fits your worldview of what 80s media is like is actually messed up.

Don't joke about rape.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#97383: Mar 1st 2019 at 5:09:18 PM

Skipped the last couple pages, pretty much since the Nitro discussion.

Sadly, there are people who state that because racism was more acceptable in the past, it's no big deal.

I'm pretty sure the Magic Eyes aren't real magic eyes, and there's a QR code hidden in there, or something that can only be seen with those red or blue filtered "3D" glasses.
They're probably all Skrulls behind them, anyway.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 1st 2019 at 7:14:54 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97384: Mar 1st 2019 at 5:16:23 PM

Depends on how far back into the past you go: there's plenty of people who thought the Confederates were monsters even back in the 19th century, so they have no excuse for being a bunch of slavers.

Something you can't say of your average peasant back in, say, 1000 A.D.

Me, I rather just be thankful to God that I was born into the information age, where ignorance is no excuse and I can inform myself as much as I need of any issues pretty much whenever.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97385: Mar 1st 2019 at 5:22:15 PM

There’s nothing much you can do about old stuff’s unpleasantness.

All you can do is look back at the pasts mistakes & make things better in the present for the future.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 1st 2019 at 5:22:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#97386: Mar 1st 2019 at 5:43:33 PM

[up][up][up][up] No one was joking about rape? But the way Venkman behaves has unfortunate implications at best, and in context his behavior with the young women and with Dana is really reminiscent of sexual assault.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#97387: Mar 1st 2019 at 5:59:06 PM

Venkman is a semi-professional con man. His default approach to situations is to manipulate and charm his way through them. This includes relationships, and when people in RL do that, we do not have complimentary things to say about them. It is unclear whether he would actually drug someone in order to have sex with them; I would have to say no because that would have taken him way beyond the limits of audience sympathy even in the eighties. It's creepy, but not in a "OMG this guy needs to be locked up" kind of way.

There is never the slightest indication that he intends to rape Dana; indeed, the film flirts with the Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male trope.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#97388: Mar 1st 2019 at 7:15:06 PM

Re: Sleepwalker. I think the gimmick behind the character (being who appears when his human host falls asleep) has more potential as a series than just making him a guest character in a show.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#97389: Mar 1st 2019 at 7:44:33 PM

Well anyway, seeing as how this thread is about The MCU, lets talk about some of our favorite fight scenes in the Marvel Movies.

I'll get the ball rolling with two of mine.

Cap VS Bucky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnORc5qeh3w

Spider-Man VS Doctor Octopus on the train: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z00fTwhmYX0

Aaaannnd Bub VS Lady Deathstrike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4txOcQ4Ah3o

[tup]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#97390: Mar 1st 2019 at 7:59:08 PM

Only 1/3 of those fight scenes are MCU tongue

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#97391: Mar 1st 2019 at 8:00:37 PM

[up]I said Marvel movies. I never said I was limiting potential choices to the MCU in particular. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#97392: Mar 1st 2019 at 8:09:12 PM

Cap vs Bucky in Winter Soldier (on the helicarrier) along with the airport fight and the Cap-Iron Man fight in Civil War, are probably the best fight scenes in the MCU.

The Cap-Bucky and Cap-Iron Man ones were particularly good in having emotional power that moved them beyond just being action scenes. The airport one is lighter, but it’s got great combinations of powers interacting with each other and Spidey’s commentary makes it lively.

Edited by Galadriel on Mar 1st 2019 at 11:11:11 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#97394: Mar 1st 2019 at 8:51:45 PM

I really like Punisher vs. Billy Russo from Punisher S1E13. So brutal.

Haven't actually finished S2 yet.

In the movies, they really nailed it with the battle on Titan (especially Doctor Strange and Iron Man's respective duels with Thanos), but I still have a soft spot for the big setpiece Battle of New York.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Mar 1st 2019 at 11:52:40 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97395: Mar 1st 2019 at 9:48:24 PM

The elevator fight, hands down. All fight scenes in The Winter Soldier are simply amazing, but I love the built up to this one.

Also, Cap vs Ironman. And naturally the airport fight, for the fun factor.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#97396: Mar 1st 2019 at 9:51:21 PM

I enjoyed the whole sequence of the team fighting Thanos on Titan, but especially the 1v1 segment with Dr. Strange near the end. Those were visuals I never expected to see in a live action film.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#97397: Mar 1st 2019 at 10:12:24 PM

The elevatator fight in WS.

Both Steve versus Bucky fights.

The airport fight in Civil War.

The final fight in Civil War.

The battle of New York.

The battle with Ego in GOTG 2.

The IMMIGRANT SONG FIGHT IN THOR RAGNAROK.

The “come on, Peter” post-fight aftermath in Homecoming.

The casino fight in Black Panther.

Edited by wisewillow on Mar 1st 2019 at 1:16:10 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#97398: Mar 1st 2019 at 10:14:28 PM

Ebony Maw vs Iron Man, Dr. Strange & Spider-Man.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#97399: Mar 1st 2019 at 10:40:46 PM

Elevator fight, the Mirror Dimension fight, and the Thanos fight.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#97400: Mar 1st 2019 at 10:48:14 PM

All of the Titan Fight, the elevator fight in WS, the airport fight in CW, the final fight in CW, and the helicarrier fight in WS.

And there'll always be a special place in my heart for Cap just wrecking everyone on the boat in Winter Soldier.

My various fanfics.

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