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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Just to get an idea how often those attacks against diverse movies have happened in the last years:
The list is longer than I thought. Some of those movies weren't even on my radar, simply because I wasn't particularly interested.
What are these people even trying to accomplish?
And no, Marvel never paid Rotten Tomatoes to give the DCEU films bad reviews. The people who say that probably think global warming and the moon landing are hoaxes. (I'm half-joking).
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!
Scare people off.
Random Joe casual just had a hard day at work, is thinking about taking his girlfriend to a movie. Captain Marvel is coming out and Marvel movies are usually fun, right? Then you see the scores. Immediately recoiling in terror. Yeah, maybe you should do something else.
That’s the goal.
It might not affect the box office for Marvel but it does encourage further harassment and fearmongering.
Just before Black Panther's release there was this campaign where white users would post bloody pictures claiming they were beaten up for buying tickets while white. Thankfully it was rapidly smothered as a hoax, but imagine if it had taken off and news sites started reporting it.
If memory serves, it was killed as a hoax so quickly because a bunch of those pictures were on the top page of Google images. If they decide to be smarter/less cowardly/less stupid this time, it would be much harder to prove wrong. For example, if they literally got someone to beat them up beforehand, or they were even semi-competent at violence make-up.
The other big problem is that it really poisons the well for any kind of nuanced discussion of a film's merits or flaws.
For instance, a lot of the discourse from when TFA premiered was very toxic about Rey and had the rancid smell of misogyny and gatekeeping all over it. This made it more difficult and sensitive for people who may have had criticisms that maybe were worth at least thinking about (such as "Rey feels too powerful that it kills the tension of the movie") to be able to talk about the film. Personally I don't think it's a big deal to make the effort to show that you're coming from a place of good faith, but it does create a very tiresome environment to talk about these films in.
Uhm, excuse you, but the moon landing was a hoax. They just had Stanley Kubrick film it.
Authentic perfectionist that he was, he had the actors flown to the moon to film the hoax on-site.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!If you genuinely wished to seek this out, why would you choose a fictional movie to experience it?
Not like there's a shortage of non-fiction, and unlike a fantasy movie, the things you learn will actually apply to the real world.
I think the point being made is that people shouldn't be hypersensitive to the existence of problems people different then them face being acknowledged in fiction.
But honestly my answer to your question would be "why not?". I like fiction and I like stories about overcoming hardships, even if they aren't the same as my hardships.
The obvious reason "why not" is because the same thing happens as has happened with many other topics, documented here on tvtropes: it becomes "Hollywoodized" and the watered down bullshit version becomes the commonly accepted version of reality.
Obviously, fiction usually must include some conflict and element of strife. And to a certain degree, reality subtext makes perfect sense in film. But it's a careful balancing act, and the danger is that it not only becomes anvilicious, but eye-rollingly unrealistic.
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The only point I'm trying to make is that there is a subset of the audience that will treat any reference whatsoever to real world problems faced by people different then them as being anviliously political, regardless of it's actual execution.
And I've seen plenty of cases (usually in regards to LGBT characters) where a character simply existing is enough to set off a firestorm of accusations of the writers politicizing their work.
Edited by Falrinn on Feb 28th 2019 at 10:18:11 AM
I’ll tell ya something funny.
I’ve seen people actually say people wanted Mar-Vell on the big screen.
To that I say HA! Mar-Vell’s been dead decades. Nobody gives a flying rats about Mar-Vell. There’s been 7 Captain Marvel’s over the course of 50 years & Mar-Vell’s been dead for all of it barring short arcs or events where he gets revived only to die when it’s over.
The rest of the Marvel’s are obscure as fuck. Like who the fuck is Genis-Vell? Cause he’s the 3rd Captain Marvel & I’ve heard jack shit about him.
I know Monica & Phyla-Vell, the 2nd & 4th Captain Marvel & Noh-Varr the 6th to a lesser degree.
But that’s the thing, out of the 7 Captain Marvel’s I can easily name the 3 women off the top of the my head. The 4 men, zilch & I can only sorta name Noh-Varr simply because of his association to the Young Avengers, not about anything relating to the character himself.
Edited by slimcoder on Feb 28th 2019 at 8:05:06 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I only really know three things about Mar-Vell:
- 1) Everything about him from The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
- 2) He died of cancer.
- 3) He once fought the Giant Flea-Market-Eating Flea.
Star Trek Beyond got some of that with the reveal that Sulu was gay, with a husband and a daughter. It was a two second scene where he greeted his family at the dock, they didn't even kiss, but some idiots still screamed about it "shoving diversity down our throats."
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Mar-Vell is one of the few superheroes to die and stay dead — now, we can chalk this up to the fact that The Death of Captain Marvel is probably his most famous story, but the real reason is probably much simpler than that: Mar-Vell was boring. He was just...kind of there. And once he died and the name passed on to Monica, well, she wasn't boring. In fact, all of the Captain Marvels after Mar-Vell were much more interesting than Mar-Vell was:
- Monica Rambeau: first female Captain Marvel and first female leader of the Avengers.
- Genis-Vell: Mar-Vell's son who once went completely bugnuts crazy and destroyed and recreated the universe.
- Phyla-Vell: was accidentally created by Genis-Vell when he recreated the universe, went on to be the second female Captain Marvel, in a lesbian relationship with Moondragon, and also an avatar of Oblivion.
- Khn'nr: a Skrull who impersonated Mar-Vell so well that he ended up betraying his own species.
- Noh-Varr: formerly Marvel Boy, a Kree soldier from an alternate universe who ended up fighting a mad scientist and sentient corporation and also spelled out the words "FUCK YOU" in fire.
- Carol Danvers: well, she was always more interesting than Mar-Vell was, but here goes: she's a twice-amnesiac Air Force Colonel that was accidentally given Kree DNA/experimented on by the Brood/her mother was a Kree soldier which ended up with her being able to punch holes in the sky. She's also an alcoholic whose rock bottom was when she got drunk and tried to fly to the moon and ended up almost suffocating and crashing.
Now, as you can see, compared to all of that, the most interesting thing about Mar-Vell was...well, that he died of cancer.
Edited by alliterator on Feb 28th 2019 at 8:42:22 AM

At least in the United States, "I don't want politics" is often code for "I don't want anything that makes me feel even the minimum amount of discomfort about the existence of hardship for people other than me." I envy those cultures that don't have that code.
And then, some fanbases are just entitled garbage.