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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96801: Feb 14th 2019 at 12:03:19 PM

I've been preaching for an Iron Heart movie for a while, now.

Preferably, as I've said before, with Pepper in a greater role as the mentor to Riri.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 14th 2019 at 5:03:31 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96802: Feb 14th 2019 at 12:05:09 PM

Exactly because the political climate Kamala is a good idea.

But one step after another. First Captain Marvel has to succeed. And then it can be used as a launching pad for all kind of characters.

Wouldn't hold my breath for Jessica Drew, though. While Marvel retains the rights, it might create bad blood between them and Sony if they introduce a character called "Spiderwoman" on the big screen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96803: Feb 14th 2019 at 12:18:40 PM

They don’t have to call her Spider-Woman (in fact, they can’t: iirc, they have rights to the character but not the Spider-Woman name itself, which is delightfully ironic given the reason the character has the name in the first place).

But imo, if there was ever a character whose superhero name is superfluous to their superhero identity, it’d be Jessica Drew, also due to why she has the name at all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96804: Feb 14th 2019 at 12:45:39 PM

Sony has already stated that they want to use Jessica Drew in the Spider-Gwen Into the Spider-Verse spin-off, so I wouldn't see an issue where Marvel allows them to use the character, while Sony allows Marvel to use the name and it all works out fine.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96805: Feb 14th 2019 at 1:33:40 PM

We will see.

I'll hold off every "where will Marvel go next" article until after Endgame.

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#96806: Feb 14th 2019 at 1:46:47 PM

Yeah no, to hell with that “a more convenient time” bullshit. We’re finally getting Women and Po C led superhero movies, and good, gloriously successful ones at that. Now is not the time to slow down the train.

Choo choo motherfuckers.

This.

PROTIP: If you want to change a culture, start with the stories we tell each other. Media has a profound influence over people's worldview.

A Kamala Khan movie is guaranteed to receive pushback from the Alt-Right, but that is exactly why it's worth doing: so that the next generation of children can grow up internalizing the idea that a Pak-American Muslim girl can be a superhero too.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 14th 2019 at 2:47:50 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#96807: Feb 14th 2019 at 1:54:07 PM

It's going to receive pushback from everywhere,not just the alt right.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#96808: Feb 14th 2019 at 1:59:08 PM

I don’t give a damn. Kamala is an incredible character, and Muslim-American girls and Pakistani-American girls deserve to see her. Islamaphobes can suck an egg, no matter where they are on the political spectrum (screw Bill Maher in particular).

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#96809: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:19:28 PM

Bill can go in the bin. Kamala is probably my most wanted character for the MCU.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96810: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:19:43 PM

It's going to receive pushback from everywhere,not just the alt right.
No, it isn't. The comic has successfully been going on for five years now, Marvel has introduced Kamala into children's books and children's cartoons and there's been little to no pushback — and what pushback there has been has been thankfully ignored by Marvel. So why would you think that anyone other than the alt-right and Islamaphobes (and alt-right Islamaphobes) would push back against Kamala? And why would you think that Marvel would care?

Edited by alliterator on Feb 14th 2019 at 2:20:15 AM

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#96811: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:33:18 PM

> And why would you think that Marvel would care?

I was'nt thinking of Marvel,I was thinking of their owners the Disney corp,who probably who would bulk at the notion in probability,let's face it they're progressive but they're not that progressive

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96812: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:36:53 PM

I was'nt thinking of Marvel,I was thinking of their owners the Disney corp,who probably who would bulk at the notion in probability,let's face it they're progressive but they're not that progressive
But Disney already owns Marvel right now and is allowing Kamala to be in, again children's cartoons, children's books, and so on. If Marvel didn't get any pushback from Disney about that, why would they get any pushback about anything else? And since Marvel is making Disney tons of money, I highly doubt they are going to say no to any new movie they want to make, even if the main character is Muslim.

Which, again, the only people who would object to that would be alt-right and Islamaphobes and alt-right Islamaphobes.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 14th 2019 at 2:37:04 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96813: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:45:12 PM

Honestly, the pushback can't be worse than the flak Captain Marvel is already getting just for having the bad taste of existing and having an outspoken star. And in a way, the constant whining is actually good press, because it keeps the conversation going. Nothing better than a controversy where the majority of the audience would say "what the hell is the problem of those idiots".

Frankly, we had sympathetic portrayals of Muslim characters for years. It's not like the US in the past 9/11 freedom fries mood.

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#96815: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:51:35 PM

Disney was okay three years ago with premiering a science-fiction blockbuster featuring a sympathetic Pakistani man among the main leads.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#96816: Feb 14th 2019 at 2:54:37 PM

Which one was that?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#96817: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:10:22 PM

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#96818: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:11:04 PM

Damn, I should give that another watch.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96819: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:15:49 PM

Disney is all about diversity these days, not just in casting, but in the types of movies they put out. In 2016, they put out The Queen of Katwe and Dangal, while in 2017 they put out Jagga Jasoos and in 2019, they are releasing Aladdin, which will have a cast of actors, most of whom come from Middle-Eastern or South Asian countries (the actor who plays Aladdin himself was born in Egypt).

Making a family film about a Pakistani-American Muslim girl who lives in New Jersey won't be a big deal for them.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 14th 2019 at 3:16:32 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96820: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:24:55 PM

Well, you can't accuse Disney of not going with the times when it comes to matters like this. And diversity currently sells.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96821: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:26:40 PM

Nothing wrong with variety as they say.

After all its visually boring if your cast is comprised of just white guys.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#96822: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:32:32 PM

As a counterpoint re: Disney improving on diversity and inclusion, I’d like to remind everyone about the live action Aladdin. Hoooo boy.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 14th 2019 at 6:34:11 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96823: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:38:50 PM

I already posted about the live-action Aladdin — aside from Will Smith, it's incredibly diverse. Mena Massoud (Aladdin) was born in Egypt, Naomi Scott (Jasmine) is half Ugandin-Indian, and Marwan Kanzari (Jafar) comes from a Tunisian family.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 14th 2019 at 3:40:34 AM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#96824: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:42:22 PM

I wouldn't go out of my way to see a Kamala Khan film but saying one should be delayed because people aren't ready for one is dumb. Creating media about new stories is exactly how you make people ready for more.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#96825: Feb 14th 2019 at 3:46:32 PM

[up][up] Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was referring to the fact that Guy Ritchie, a white guy with zero experience at this sort of nuance, is directing, plus the decision to cast lighter/mixed face leads, plus the snafu with adding a white prince to the cast and having extras in brown face.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 14th 2019 at 6:47:02 AM


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