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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96526: Feb 7th 2019 at 12:09:38 PM

Please, if they took on a single ninja it would be impressive, but everyone knows a ninja's power is shared between them, the more of them there are the weaker each individual ninja is.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 7th 2019 at 5:10:10 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96527: Feb 7th 2019 at 12:44:39 PM

Still, I don't see Luke faring any worse than Cap, seeing how he is both much stronger and more resilient than him, only his fighting skill is worse.

And yeah, if Black Widow can hold her own, why can't Jessica or Danny?

Matt, I give you that, would have it a little worse. But I can still see him taking down at least a few.

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#96528: Feb 7th 2019 at 12:47:10 PM

"They would be useful in the same way that Captain America and Black Widow would be useful. "

Which it means not that much, I mean Luke will hold his ground better than cap by his powers but is not much, specially since Cap have better traing.

And nat role in avenger were most relate to closed the portal than being in ground.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#96529: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:04:51 PM

Oh, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would go down hard if they fought the Chitauri.

While they can hurt the Chitauri if they get a punch in, neither of 'em is all that great at dodging. A minute after entering the fray, some Chitauri is gonna shoot them with one of those laser weapons.

Luke may be invulnerable to bullets, but those Chitauri weapons were causing huge explosions with each hit, big enough that when they hit the ground next to a car, they sent the cars flying through the air. A single hit might not be enough to kill Luke, but it'll definitely knock him flat on his ass and leave him pretty hurt. If the Chitauri see he's still moving, and pump a couple extra shots into him, he's toast.

And Jessica? She once got knocked unconscious by an ordinary guy hitting her with a two-by-four. The couple extra shots wouldn't even be necessary.

Matt and Danny might fare a little better, at least in avoiding being taken out so quick, but I can't see either of them taking down more than two or three Chitauri, if they're lucky.

During the Battle of New York, the weaker Avengers may have made a meaningful contribution, but Widow and Hawkeye relied primarily on ranged weapons (which none of the Defenders use much), and Cap had Luke/Jessica level super-strength mixed with Matt/Danny level combat skill (plus an indestructible shield), and that combination is far more effective than either ability is on its own.

Edited by RavenWilder on Feb 7th 2019 at 1:06:55 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96530: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:08:22 PM

Cap has his shield, so he can easily attack airborne enemies, he has super strength and the power of super gymnastic.

And Black Widow has her guns.

I guess Danny could be useful NOW that he has chi guns, but that is assuming that he was in New York at the time of the attack.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96531: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:11:28 PM

If only Danny was more superhuman like his comic counterpart.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#96532: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:13:00 PM

It's been a while since I saw the first season of Luke Cage, and I haven't watched the second, but weren't the Judas Bullets reversed engineered from Chitauri tech? That pretty much renders Luke greatest asset (his invulnerability) moot.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#96533: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:18:37 PM

As of Season 2 he is immune against those.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#96534: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:20:43 PM

They were made using fragments of Chitauri metal. Not taken from Chitauri weaponry or anything like that, just the metal their gear is made of.

We saw in the intro to Spider-Man: Homecoming, while Toomes's crew was cleaning up the wreckage from The Avengers, that the only way they knew to cut through a piece of Chitauri metal was by using another piece of Chitauri metal.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96535: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:59:00 PM

Cap had Luke/Jessica level super-strength mixed with Matt/Danny level combat skill (plus an indestructible shield)
We don't know how strong Cap is, but I'm willing to bet Luke and Jessica are stronger.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96536: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:09:09 PM

[up] I am not sure...but Cap isn't just strong, he is a trained fighter and he has long range weapons.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96537: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:12:04 PM

Luke needs some experiance.

Dudes leading multiple teams in the comics, one comprised of violent criminals.

It helps if he fights a lot more than gangster.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 7th 2019 at 2:12:48 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96538: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:13:28 PM

MCU Cap is NOT as skilled as Danny or Matt.

It's just that he is stronger and has better weaponry.

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#96539: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:14:42 PM

[up] I should have specified combat fighter.

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#96540: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:16:30 PM

Cap's unstoppable, though. All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield.

Unless they didn't choose to oppose his shield, like Bucky. Then they don't have to yield, because they don't fit the formula.

Or if he doesn't have his shield, like when he fought Thanos. He had A shield, but it's not THE shield. Thanos chose to oppose the diamond-shaped knifey-shield, so he did not have to yield.

I guess it's really the shield that's unstoppable. Not Cap himself. Objection withdrawn.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 7th 2019 at 3:17:06 AM

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#96541: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:22:27 PM

Which is weird, since in the MCU both shields are made out of the same thing: Vibranium.

In the comics Cap's iconic shield is nigh unstoppable since it's made out of a Vibranium-iron alloy mixed with some unknown extra ingredient that makes it all but indestructible. The comics shield takes cosmic level and / or divine power to destroy — you basically need to be a Physical God to even dent it. Heck, in the comics adamantium is just a cheap knockoff of whatever makes up Cap's shield.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96542: Feb 7th 2019 at 2:29:27 PM

Honestly, Cap's worth is more that he is a particularly good tactician and a leader with a firm moral compass. But having a long range weapon and battle experience does put him over the defenders in my book. At least when it comes to fighting aliens.

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#96544: Feb 7th 2019 at 3:31:41 PM

Not a fan of Hawkeye's new haircut. Looks a little too much like Richard Spencer.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#96545: Feb 7th 2019 at 3:35:31 PM

Unless they didn't choose to oppose his shield, like Bucky. Then they don't have to yield, because they don't fit the formula.

It's literally why Bucky can catch the shield! I've said this. I came up with it!

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#96546: Feb 7th 2019 at 4:06:36 PM

[up][up][up] Please be fake; that looks godawful.

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#96547: Feb 7th 2019 at 4:24:29 PM

Hulk looks like he only has three fingers.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96548: Feb 7th 2019 at 4:47:10 PM

Well, that confirms it: Hulk is an alien!

That being said, that image looks photo-shopped as all hell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96549: Feb 7th 2019 at 4:48:19 PM

Hulk wearing a sci-fi bodysuit is like when Kingdom Hearts gave sci-fi Mickey Mouse's nemesis Pete a body-suit.

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#96550: Feb 7th 2019 at 4:57:30 PM

I think it's real. I also think it is a really poorly photoshopped early render, probably when they were just finalizing the look the characters would have.


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