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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#96502: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:10:46 PM

If there were more hands on deck in New York when Maw's team attacked, they might have been able to repel him without losing Strange. (The rest of my post was [nja]'d so hard I'd rather delete it)

We didn't really get to see any payoff to the relationship changes resulting from Civil War, but it was at least important to the setup of Infinity War, as well as Black Panther and debatably Homecoming.

Edited by MileRun on Feb 6th 2019 at 11:12:34 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96503: Feb 7th 2019 at 1:45:46 AM

Frankly, I don't see how ANY of the defenders would have been useful defending Aliens. None of them is airborn or has a weapon with a long range. At best, Jessica might have been able to jump on the back of the alien guy, but that would have looked really goofy.

Edited by Swanpride on Feb 7th 2019 at 1:46:05 AM

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#96504: Feb 7th 2019 at 6:18:05 AM

None of them are particularly all that strong, either.

There's little Luke or Matt could add that Peter and Tony couldn't do better.

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#96505: Feb 7th 2019 at 6:24:17 AM

I think we have to accept that the Netflix Marvel shows will be forever divorced from the MCU. There's no real point in fussing over it.

Anyway, Endgame is clocking in at three hours? Wow. I mean, it's awesome: this is clearly going to go way beyond just "beat Thanos, save Universe", and I'm looking forward to it immensely, but I may need to wear an adult diaper if they don't give us some opportunities for pee breaks.

The fact that test audiences refused to leave their seats is a really good sign.

I presume there's no new word on a release trailer or ticket preorders?

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:27:35 AM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#96506: Feb 7th 2019 at 6:39:27 AM

I find in comics it normally works best when there's like, a lot to do. Sure, maybe the Avengers can handle the biggest bad guy but if there's some random aliens or demons wandering around the more street-level guys can still help. In this case, they probably would have had to make up something for the Defenders to do rather than add them to an existing fight, and that's ignoring IRL and story structure reasons.

I won't judge length until I've seen it. Could be a lot of stuff that's so good they didn't want to cut it, could have some bloated segments that didn't need to have.

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#96507: Feb 7th 2019 at 6:55:35 AM

On that note, I was listening to a dude on the radio who was somehow too hipster to have ever followed the MCU. I legit did not know those people existed.

Guy was clearly like 20 years old by his voice, and had this conversation with the co-host:

  • Hipster: Three hours?! How can it be three hours long?
  • Co-Host: Apparently they've been screening it and the test audiences had a good time.
  • Hipster: Three hours and nobody, at any point, had to get up and use the restroom.
  • Co-Host: Well, it makes sense. You know, this is the culmination of 22 films leading up to this point. They're doing a lot of wrapping up, tying together all the different storylines and—
  • Hipster: Storylines? Dude, it's a superhero movie. What kind of "storylines" could it possibly have?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 7th 2019 at 7:56:11 AM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#96508: Feb 7th 2019 at 7:38:04 AM

I think there's two very separate categories; just genuinely uninterested, which is fine, and hipster 'it's popular so I hate it' types, which is less so.

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#96509: Feb 7th 2019 at 7:39:56 AM

For some reason I have a recurring mental image of Wong or Bruce calling the Defenders after Maw sets off and going "Hey guys, can you keep an eye on this?"

The rest of the movie is a single, unbroken shot of the Defenders standing guard over Cull's severed hand.

also do none of you just... hit the loo before the movie or are you unable to go for three hours without pissing

This place is careless.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96510: Feb 7th 2019 at 7:46:13 AM

Something suddenly occurred me last night regarding captain Marvel. As I said before I like the idea of the Earth being the battlefield in a war by proxy and the possible commentary you can insert there. And suddenly I was wondering...if Carol is a fighter pilot, does that mean she is fighting in the gulf war?

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#96511: Feb 7th 2019 at 7:48:56 AM

I had to go during Civil War but trust me you don't want to have this conversation.

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#96512: Feb 7th 2019 at 7:49:45 AM

Not necessarily Gulf War,plenty of other conflicts have involved the use of the airforce

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#96513: Feb 7th 2019 at 7:52:50 AM

Maybe she was in World War II?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 7th 2019 at 8:07:58 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#96515: Feb 7th 2019 at 8:28:40 AM

It's possible. The main story of Captain Marvel seems to be the mid 90s after the Gulf War ended. So depending on how big the time jump is between her accident and her return to Earth that could easily place her Air Force days in the Gulf War.

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#96516: Feb 7th 2019 at 8:44:12 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96517: Feb 7th 2019 at 8:49:20 AM

Or maybe we see her towards the and of the Afghanistan conflict (no not that one..not that one either...no, close, I mean the one which ended in 1989 with the end of the cold war), and she just meets Fury in the 1990s...

That could be a thematically and well-timed sucker punch, because that was also a war by proxy.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96518: Feb 7th 2019 at 9:42:10 AM

Frankly, I don't see how ANY of the defenders would have been useful defending Aliens.
They would be useful in the same way that Captain America and Black Widow would be useful.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96519: Feb 7th 2019 at 10:15:47 AM

The only one who would have a serious problem would be Daredevil, but only because it's customary for him to get beaten up as grievously as possible.

Everyone else will be fine, but Matt will be near death. It's just the way it goes.

Seriously though, yeah. Most of the Defenders would be just fine against the Chitauri, or even the Outriders. Jess and Luke especially. Punisher (who's a kinda-sorta Defender) would be in the same boat as Hawkeye: probably in trouble up close, but with all the weapons he has at his disposal he wouldn't be up close. Danny would probably be fine too (given that the Russos can do fight choreography), though I'd expect if he made the jump to films he would get an unspoken buff to be more like his comics counterpart.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96520: Feb 7th 2019 at 10:45:44 AM

Especially if Danny uses his new Chi-powered guns.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 7th 2019 at 10:45:50 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#96521: Feb 7th 2019 at 10:51:16 AM

Taking on human or low-powered gangsters is marginally different from fighting alien invaders. And considering the Defenders were even more dysfunctional than the Avengers, they aren't the type of people you want to throw at an alien invasion if only because they'd either get killed or somehow make things worse.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96522: Feb 7th 2019 at 10:54:27 AM

Taking on human or low-powered gangsters
What about taking on a group of immortal ninjas?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#96523: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:02:20 AM

Those ninjas weren't so immortal. They also didn't have nearly as much fire power as the Chitauri or Thanos' forces. There's a reason the Hand kept way, way under the radar. They'd never survive in a world where the Avengers and SHIELD knew who, where and what they were.

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#96524: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:13:27 AM

The Outriders were basically lots and lots of attack dogs. I could definitely see the Defenders being able to hold their own against them for a time.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96525: Feb 7th 2019 at 11:21:16 AM

Yeah, Luke Cage not only has super strength, but is pretty much invulnerable, too. Even a Judas Bullet won't do any good now. And Jessica Jones has super strength, too, even if her fighting style is "hit anything that moves." The only ones I can see having a problem are Daredevil (no super strength, acrobatics really don't do anything) and Danny (without his Iron Fist, although if he has his Chi-powered guns, they would help).


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