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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96477: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:28:19 PM

wild mass guess End Game is 3 hours of playing hide and seek with Thanos

He's hiding on the moon

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#96478: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:29:10 PM

I like Infinity War but I'm not sure if I can take six hours of anything.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96479: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:30:10 PM

I'm already taking near 3-hour classes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#96480: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:35:38 PM

I loved Infinity War, so I'd definitely be down for it

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#96481: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:37:38 PM

It's easier to list the parts I didn't like (Peter Quill's antics, Iron Man and Doctor Strange's bickering being a bit on the dull side), but while it's a good movie it's not a very "fun" movie to rewatch.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96482: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:39:52 PM

Its like a good Dragon Ball movie.

The action is good enough to warrent a rewatch.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#96483: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:42:59 PM

I'd personally just watch IW on Netflix before heading to the theater for Endgame. Other than saving money on the ticket, I'd just rather not be in a crowd for that long.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96484: Feb 6th 2019 at 5:58:36 PM

Jesus, how do you keep your sanity? My classes clock at an hour and an half each, and I already find them dreadful.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 7th 2019 at 11:36:07 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96485: Feb 6th 2019 at 6:10:37 PM

Ya get used to it, especially going through 2 semesters comprised of 4 classes, 3 of which both times are over the 2 hour mark.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#96486: Feb 6th 2019 at 6:13:23 PM

Its like a good Dragon Ball movie. The action is good enough to warrent a rewatch.

Thanos throws a moon at Iron Man. I have no idea how Endgame can top that besides Thanos and Carol playing planet tennis.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#96487: Feb 6th 2019 at 6:14:42 PM

The bit that I'll find hard to top will actually be the magic duel between Thanos and Strange.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96488: Feb 6th 2019 at 6:48:40 PM

I’m rather hoping there’s an insane DBZ-eqsue sequence like Carol & Thanos duking it out in space with Thanos asteroid hopping to evade Carol’s Beam Spams at high speed.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#96489: Feb 6th 2019 at 7:49:01 PM

Zemo’s point was disproven in one scene

...Was it? Tony went berserk and tried for revenge just like Zemo hoped, and the Avengers were utterly destroyed.

Sure, no one died like he'd hoped, but he got exactly what he wanted out of it.

I do agree that people thinking Thanos is right is ridiculous.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96490: Feb 6th 2019 at 7:58:10 PM

[up]I'm referring to this part.

Everett Ross: So how does it feel? To spend all that time, all that effort, and to see it fail so spectacularly?

Zemo: Did it?

And then in the following scene it seems like he's right, until Cap calls to reconcile with Tony, who accepts his apology.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 6th 2019 at 8:00:51 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96491: Feb 6th 2019 at 8:01:40 PM

Really it only failed because Cap & Bucky double-teamed Tony.

Tony had every intent on killing Bucky & so he had to be beaten into submission & then run far away from to a place he can't track.

Zemo's plan worked pretty well, he just never expected Cap to be stronger than Iron Man.

Now if Tony actually backed down & realized what he was doing was wrong on his own consensual accord, then that would have been the definitive victory over Zemo.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 6th 2019 at 8:03:42 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#96492: Feb 6th 2019 at 8:08:30 PM

I wonder how Zemo would react once the Snappening hit, if he even survived. Would he feel slightly responsible for tearing the Avengers apart? Or would he just not care anymore after all he lost?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#96493: Feb 6th 2019 at 8:12:45 PM

We won't know until we see him again, but considering he was willing to kill a lot of people who had nothing to do with his Vendetta to accomplish his goals (even if he did feel guilty for getting T'chaka killed) then I'm guessing it's the second one.

One Strip! One Strip!
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#96494: Feb 6th 2019 at 8:19:30 PM

Zemo kinda succeeded and kinda didn't.

On one hand, he did technically break up the Avengers, which was his stated goal. Cap's half of the Avengers had to go on the run and hide from international courts, which sucks for them. Tony's relationship with Steve wasn't completely shattered, but it was wrecked enough that Tony could hardly bring himself to call Steve even under threat of world-ending peril. In that sense, Zemo sorta succeeded.

On the other hand, the Avengers' breakup was largely inconsequential in the years between CW and IW. Cap's Secret Avengers kept doing missions since then without any problems that we know of, and the remaining public Avengers kept up their heroics consequence free. From that perspective, Zemo's plan was a failure.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96495: Feb 6th 2019 at 8:23:40 PM

I think the unavoidable fact is, Tony was completely willing to murder Bucky.

There was no indication that he was ever gonna back down in that fight. He was gonna do it, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Had Cap not overcame him, mistakes that would have lasted forever would have been made.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96496: Feb 6th 2019 at 8:51:40 PM

EDIT: Nothing to see here.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 6th 2019 at 8:52:27 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#96497: Feb 6th 2019 at 10:07:09 PM

[up][up][up] I had a feeling the Avengers' breakup was going to be ultimately meaningless in the end when I saw exactly what the Phase 3 roadmap entailed. Only Spider-Man Homecoming and Black Panther involved characters who would be affected by the events of that film, and it was always evident that the former's conflict would be too low-scale for the Avengers' radar. Black Panther is the only film I thought capable of referencing its events more than tangentially and even then I didn't think it was likely as it had its work cut out for it establishing its own mythos.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 6th 2019 at 1:09:58 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96498: Feb 6th 2019 at 10:38:46 PM

I had a feeling the Avengers' breakup was going to be ultimately meaningless in the end when I saw exactly what the Phase 3 roadmap entailed.
I mean, it wasn't meaningless: Infinity War would have been a vastly different film if the Avengers hadn't split up and Ant-Man and the Wasp revolved around the fact that Scott was under house arrest for two years. Endgame will probably have a scene where the Avengers finally reunite and the Sokovia Accords are revised.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96499: Feb 6th 2019 at 10:46:12 PM

Eh, Infinity War wouldn't have changed that much without Civil War. The only real effect of CW is that Cap and co. aren't present with Tony during the attack at New York, but that he gets separated from the rest on Earth shortly thereafter is easily retained.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96500: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:00:41 PM

I like the idea that in the aftermath of Endgame, some of the Avengers are dead, some retire, and the rest scatter to make the world a better place in their own ways. Meanwhile Ross - fully disillusioned with the Avengers - decides to make his own government mandated superteam with blackjack and hookers that he can control, leading to an adaptation of the Thunderbolts in which the idea gets hijacked by supervillains Treasure Island style.

[up] The biggest difference I can think of is that Tony would know where Vision is right off the bat, thus allowing him to be both in safe custody already and also warned slightly ahead of time that he was being hunted, possibly avoiding the entire fight in Europe.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2019 at 11:01:02 AM


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