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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I will amend my point to say there are some movies I think can remain unclosed at the end thematically. Swap Infinity War with Civil War, and I would gladly see a 2 parter CW film where the first half ends ambiguously and Zemo’s point isn’t right away proven wrong, because it’s on a topic that actually deserves more thought and nuance than “consider genocide, part 2”.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 6th 2019 at 1:25:33 AM
Whatever. I guess we'll never agree on that issue. As far as I'm concerned, the movie frames Thanos' quest as every bit as bad as it is.
Like I said, making a character irredeemable and sympathetic at the same time is not an oxymoron, in my opinion.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianYou know they might try to solve the problem with time travel,like they go back to before whatever event drove Thanos mad hoping to prevent it,they don't succeed but we get effectively a flashaback of Thanos's home before it was destroyed by whatever
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverThat's because Thanos' worldview doesn't hinge on assumptions about human behavior in the way that Loki, Zemo, and the Joker's worldviews do.
Loki believed that that the masses weak-willed and deserved to be ruled by totalitarian power. The Joker believed that humans were inherently self-preserving and would not hesitate to kill others in order to save their own lives. Zemo believed that humans cannot help but be consumed by vengeance, and that the desire for retribution outweighs all other impulses. All three of those are theses about how humans will behave, and so they can be refuted by having the good characters act contrary to those predictions.
Thanos isn't concerned with how people will behave, so much as how people should behave. He thinks that the few should be sacrificed for the needs of the many in order to maximize the longevity of civilization. That's not the kind of argument that a character can refute through action; that would indeed require a lecture on the exact mechanics of food chains, ecosystems, manufacturing rates, energy costs, living spaces, etc. all over the universe to demonstrate why Thanos is factually wrong. (I mean, now that the snap has happened, Endgame might go the route of showing that Thanos miscalculated, but I have doubts that's how Engame would want to tackle the issue, which IW has presented as strictly a moral one)
The climax for Avengers: Endgame will feature Al Gore giving a forty-minute power-point presentation on the logistical problems of Thanos killing half the universe. The true title of the film will be revealed to be Avengers: An Inconvenient Snap.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 6th 2019 at 4:41:02 AM
That might be it. Maybe I just find villains with questions about human behavior more compelling, and ones with factual misjudgments too thin for two films.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 6th 2019 at 1:44:31 AM
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It's not that I want an intermission, it is that I want Marvel to pick a point and tell the theatres: So, if you really want to do one, THERE is the place to do it.
I saw Infinity War twice. First time in my favourite theatre without intermission. Second time around they just stopped the movie in a very stupid moment, completely interrupting the suspense.
I personally prefer none at all, I can deal with three hours without toilet break. But if there has to be one, I don't want them to put it at a random point.
The only time I've seen an intermission during a film was back when Disney released the first two Toy Story films as a double-feature before the third film came out. The placed it between the films, which was a logical place to put it.
The bare minimum I ask of Endgame is Thanos getting his ass kicked, Gamora coming back to life somehow, and Nebula surviving the whole thing. Expect me to come here blurting out "ALEXA PLAY WEIGHT OF THE WORLD" if all three requirements are met.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)I rate Nebula's chances of survival about the same as I rate the chances of John F. Kennedy surviving several shots to the head.
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I will respond that claiming the only way to rebuke Thanos ideologically with a long lecture or PowerPoint is exaggerating. Zemo’s point was disproven in one scene. The Joker’s, in one scene. Harvey Dent’s, in one shot. Loki’s, the entire climactic battle added up to refute him. The language of film is absolutely capable of summarizing ideological rebukes efficiently and with showing action rather than telling words.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 6th 2019 at 1:07:20 AM