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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96251: Feb 5th 2019 at 10:00:25 AM

[up] In Guardians 3 though.

In the comics he is basically Thanos nemesis but that's impossible right now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96252: Feb 5th 2019 at 10:34:17 AM

He also turn evil at some point, so they're just skipping the part where he is merely morally ambiguous.

Personally, I prefer his gender swapped Knight Templar version from Infinity Crusade.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 5th 2019 at 3:36:22 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96253: Feb 5th 2019 at 10:45:08 AM

/ well this rules out taika-waititi- directing Guardians 3,he doesn't want to,understandable

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#96254: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:01:59 PM

I will said that a this point, the whole "Hela will be reveal as god of death" feel more a desire ot shoehorn comics stuff were it dosent as adaptation.

Is kinda like tony bulding ultron, is not comic accurate but that is for the best.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96255: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:08:36 PM

I'm happy about this. I didn't think that he would be the right pick from the get go.

Maybe Marvel should throw a small directing project to Perlman and if she does well, give her a shot.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#96256: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:18:19 PM

Y'know, if Nicole Perlman did direct the third Guardians film, that be interesting to see. She wrote the first film with James Gunn, while he has the solo writing credit for the second film. You could compare the two sequels and get a good sense of who contributed what to the first film and how they complimented each others strengths and weaknesses.

Of course, writing is a very different beast to directing, so handing her a big blockbuster with a lot of baggage behind it could be a potentially terrible idea. They should definitely consider bringing her back as a screenwriter if they ever plan to make any changes to Gunn's script.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 5th 2019 at 3:18:58 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96257: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:36:47 PM

Yeah, which is why I said that they would first need to test her out...but I guess there isn't enough time for her to collect the necessary experience.

But I hope she stays involved. I have the feeling that it is worth to have her involved as much as possible. She seems to have a knack for figuring out that the most important/interesting elements of a given property are.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#96258: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:39:00 PM

I wonder what a marvel movie would like if was directed Zack Snyder

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96259: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:41:38 PM

[up] We will never find out because Feige will never be stupid enough to hire him.

Most likely not much different than his usual fare, though.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#96260: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:41:50 PM

[up][up]... please, god, no. I don’t need that in my MCU. Keep his bad lighting and Ayn Rand fanboying far away.

Edited by wisewillow on Feb 5th 2019 at 3:42:12 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96261: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:41:59 PM

The untitled Marvel ABC pilot, claimed to be focused on women superheroes, has been cancelled.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96262: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:46:30 PM

[up] That's a shame. I wonder what I would have been called.

That's two shows that ABC passed on (Marvel's Most Wanted and this one) and one show that has been in limbo for years (the one made by John Ridley). I know ABC might be gun-shy after the flop that was Inhumans, but it seems right now that they are just passing on every MCU project except Agents of SHIELD (which they know already has an onboard fanbase).

Edited by alliterator on Feb 5th 2019 at 12:47:21 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96263: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:47:52 PM

Well, they could always let her direct a few TV episodes to see if she has directing chops.

But speaking about female directors, what do y'all feel about Jennifer Yuh directing something? She was the mind behind Kung Fu Panda 2 and 3, which gives her a permanent soft spot in my frozen heart, and while (what I think it's) her first live action flick, The Darkest Minds, was relentlessly punded by critics, it had a pretty good audience reception, which a reasonably good sign.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#96264: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:51:10 PM

I hope they keep Chloe Zao around.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96265: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:52:13 PM

Since ABC has been under new leadership they have tried to get rid of all the superhero stuff...word is that the only reason Ao S is still on is because someone higher up at Disney keeps insisting that it should be renewed.

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#96266: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:55:03 PM

Given how many holes there are with MCU Thanos’s motive, he really doesn’t strike me as someone who’s put a lot of thought into it. For all his mockery of Loki’s failed conquest of Earth, his plan is basically just the same thing: make a bunch of random civilians miserable because people at home didn’t give him what he wanted.

You realise you just described Killmongers motivation, right? Thanos's motivation is "the universe is slowly dying, and only I can save it."

Edited by qwigly on Feb 5th 2019 at 12:56:55 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96267: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:58:09 PM

Since ABC has been under new leadership they have tried to get rid of all the superhero stuff
I keep on hearing this, but, again, it hasn't been true. Channing Dungey was made President of ABC in 2016 and the only superhero shows she oversaw were Agents of SHIELD and Inhumans (which flopped). She departed in November 2018 and was replaced by Karey Burke, who used to be head of original programming for Freeform, i.e. the channel that "took a chance" and picked up Cloak and Dagger. In fact, Joe Pokaski credits Burke himself for picking up Cloak and Dagger and giving it a straight-to-series order, as well as renewing it for Season 2 in July.

So, if anything, it would seem like Karey Burke would be more receptive to MCU shows than Channing Dungey.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 5th 2019 at 12:58:40 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#96268: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:59:40 PM

[up][up] no it's literally "There too many people in the universe I have to kill half of it so we dont run out of resources!"

Anyway,provably wise revisit Thanos's motives another time when things are less heated,for now I'm stuck wondering how different directors would approach a marvel Movie

How about someone like Spielberg?Guy has enormous experience directing,would be very interesting to see his take on a Marvel movie

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 5th 2019 at 9:00:17 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96269: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:00:33 PM

I mean if we are gonna give Thanos grief for being a dumbass then Killmonger deserves slme of that grief.

Both are morons.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 5th 2019 at 1:01:02 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#96270: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:02:32 PM

Maybe we could start with not attributing everything Nakia said to Killmonger.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#96271: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:07:14 PM

Methinks there are just inherently a lot of holes in trying to do or explore certain things when your movie is just as big of a crossover and has just as many characters as Infinity War.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96272: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:14:58 PM

You realise you just described Killmongers motivation, right?

Yes, and Harvey Dent’s. Both of them are better because their movies spent more than three sentences to explain how they got there.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96273: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:17:39 PM

Shame Killmonger's end result was a pitiful human being. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96274: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:21:01 PM

I stand corrected...I didn't know that they changed leadership again. That explains why Marvel tried again with another show.

But then, if Feige will now overseeing the MCU shows, the ones on the fringe will have a hard time...with the notable exception of Ao S, naturally.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96275: Feb 5th 2019 at 1:49:54 PM

That explains why Marvel tried again with another show.
ABC has been testing that show for, like, months now. If they couldn't make it work it's probably because they didn't have the right creative team or something. The shows that work tend to work because they get the right creative team that cares about the characters.

I don't think Feige is overseeing any of the shows outside Disney+, I think that's still Jeph Loeb.


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