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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#96176: Feb 4th 2019 at 3:41:37 AM

I don't think we're going to get an outside-context villain in Endgame; it makes no sense and would be incredibly jarring to the audience. We've been set up and stoked to demand an answer to, "How will the Avengers fix what happened in Infinity War?" We've been shown their despair and their desperation as they try to come up with a plan. Notably:

  • We have not seen them fighting Thanos.
  • We have not been given hints that someone else is the real villain.

Everything is very deliberately being left open, but we're being given this pared-down cast for a reason. We're being shown these specific characters for a reason. The resolution will involve them and only them, up until they flip the switch to reset things. Thanos isn't going to pull an EU Palpatine and say, "I did this because there's a worse threat out there." That would be stupid and throw away everything they've been building towards.

We also haven't seen the full payoff of Strange's prediction. My theory is that someone else will get the Gauntlet, like Nebula, and the third act conflict will be stopping that character from making things even worse, with the ultimate conclusion that the only way to save the universe for good is to destroy the Stones.

There's also all the time travel stuff, which I haven't forgotten about but am very leery of.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 4th 2019 at 6:42:26 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96177: Feb 4th 2019 at 4:24:27 AM

Yeah, I agree, I doubt that there will be another "big bad". Nor do I think that one is needed. This is about reversing he worst defeat the Avengers ever had to deal with.

Random observation: I was kind of disappointed about the shot of the city. Somehow I expected more dust in the air.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96178: Feb 4th 2019 at 4:50:18 AM

The vacuum industry must've got quite the boom.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 4th 2019 at 9:50:30 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96179: Feb 4th 2019 at 9:32:48 AM

Thanos isn't going to pull an EU Palpatine and say, "I did this because there's a worse threat out there." That would be stupid and throw away everything they've been building towards.

Nobody said that - I think you're misinterpreting.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 4th 2019 at 9:34:38 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96180: Feb 4th 2019 at 9:33:40 AM

It was kinda of suggested on the last few pages though

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96181: Feb 4th 2019 at 9:34:47 AM

It was not.

The point was actually the complete opposite: that thanks to the Snap, The 'Verse has been put in danger to new threats that it would have otherwise been safe from. That Thanos has caused the universe to erupt into problems, not that he was somehow trying to stop them.

Even from the trailer, we know that something else is happening: Cap and Co. are suiting up to fight somebody, and if Thor is going rogue to fight Thanos it's definitely not going to be him.

There being another antagonist we don't know about is probable, because this is an action movie, Thanos - despite not being beaten - was the primary antagonist of the last film, and no film studio is going to fill two hours plus with action against the literal same threat all the action was geared towards in the previous film.

Even if it's the same overall fight, there's going to distinctions: that's why I brought up Star Wars.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 4th 2019 at 9:38:15 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96182: Feb 4th 2019 at 10:36:13 AM

So it's just occurred to me that the snap wipes out half the life in the universe,so that includes Thanos's army that he used to subjugate worlds,undoing the snap means bring them back as well,so the threat is now Thanos's leaderless army rather then Thanos himself

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#96183: Feb 4th 2019 at 12:29:27 PM

Someone randomly split MCU movies into four groups of five and asked people to choose which group they would be stuck with. I thought this was interesting because it made me consider both the highs and lows of each one.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#96184: Feb 4th 2019 at 12:31:19 PM

Going to go with Group A, because of Guardians of Galaxy

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#96185: Feb 4th 2019 at 12:41:17 PM

I miiiiiight go with C because of Got G 2 and Homecoming, but TIH weighs it down.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96186: Feb 4th 2019 at 12:43:57 PM

Group C for me...has two Captain America movies, Got G Vol 2 and I quite enjoyed homecoming, too.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96187: Feb 4th 2019 at 12:53:20 PM

D, no doubt.

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JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#96188: Feb 4th 2019 at 1:02:23 PM

C > D > B > A

Shame because Ragnarok's my favorite film.

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#96189: Feb 4th 2019 at 2:09:42 PM

On a personal good:bad ratio for each set, C (4:1) > B (3:2) > D (2:2 + Thor because I wasn't quite sure which side it falls on) > A (2:3)

Edited by Nouct on Feb 4th 2019 at 2:10:43 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#96190: Feb 4th 2019 at 2:29:10 PM

A > C > B > D

A has three great movies and two mediocre movies. C has two Cap films, a good Spider-Man film, a meh GOTG film, and I don't hate Hulk as much as some others. B has two of my absolute favorite MCU movies but also two of my least favorites. D has one great movie and one good movie, but also one mediocre one and two that are downright awful.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#96191: Feb 4th 2019 at 2:58:16 PM

I think I'm gonna settle for C > A > B > D. Got G 2 and Homecoming I love, Civil War and TFA I also enjoyed well enough. TIH is meh but it drags that group down less than TDW and Age of Ultron drag down B, which is otherwise filled with three pretty damn good movies. A has Ragnarok and Got G 1 which I also love, just not as much as C's two high points for me. I'd rather watch any of the other three (even though I think they're pretty enjoyable but not great) in A than TIH, which I guess makes it a less wide spectrum of quality IMO. D has Black Panther which is awesome and Infinity War which is also pretty good, but the other three are iffy at best.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#96192: Feb 4th 2019 at 3:17:24 PM

Side A for me. A good sampler of the MCU, I think. I'm inclined to say I like GOTG Vol. 2 more overall, but that I could watch the first movie more often more easily.

If you could swap out either TFA or Civil War for Winter Soldier it'd be C. Hell, if you could swap out Doctor Strange for Winter Soldier, it might be D.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#96193: Feb 4th 2019 at 5:29:56 PM

D > C > A > B

C is almost all good films (Homecoming is the lowest in its set by far), but D has two of the absolute best. If it switched Winter Soldier with First Avenger, then it would be close.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Feb 4th 2019 at 7:31:43 AM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#96194: Feb 4th 2019 at 5:30:40 PM

Side B (hey, I’m the first one to choose it!), because it contains Winter Soldier, easily my favourite MCU movie and one I never get tired of watching. If I could only watch one group of MCU movies, it has to be the group that includes Winter Soldier. B also has Ant-Man and the Wasp, which is just so much freaking fun. I’m not saying it’s the best of the 2018 Marvel movies, but it’s been my most fun to rewatch. Those two make up for the group also containing two of Marvel’s worst movies. And I even like some of the bits of Dark World that involve Loki.

Side C is second, because Civil War and Avengers are about tied for my second/third favourite Marvel movie, but A dorsn’t have any other movies I really care about, while C has Spider-Man Homecoming which was pretty fun (if too Stark-heavy). And honestly, I liked Incredible Hulk pretty well - not a great movie, but better than Iron Man 2, Thor: TDW or Ant-Man.

Then Side A, because of Avengers.

Last Side D, because it doesn’t have any movies I flat-out love to rewatch. Black Panther was good, and I saw it twice in theatres, but I don’t feel a strong desire to rewatch it. The other movies in group D I don’t even like much, except for a couple bits in Thor, and Iron Man 2 I deeply dislike.

My choices are influenced by not liking GOTG (side 1 or 2) really much at all. It feels too juvenile and I don’t like the way they wrote Gamora.

Edited by Galadriel on Feb 4th 2019 at 8:42:11 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#96195: Feb 4th 2019 at 9:34:39 PM

Side A seems the most solid, ignoring Iron Man 3, so I'm going with that choice.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96196: Feb 4th 2019 at 9:39:09 PM

I’ll go with Side C.

Best good to bad ratio for me.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96197: Feb 4th 2019 at 10:14:01 PM

So, I'm just going to say "fuck it" and go with Side ABCD. Like, all of them. Because I am a person and I choose not to play this game of "Which would you choose" because I like all of them.

So, yeah. Count me out of this The Lady or the Tiger stuff.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 4th 2019 at 10:14:29 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#96199: Feb 4th 2019 at 11:36:53 PM

May I ask what The Lady or The Tiger is?

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#96200: Feb 5th 2019 at 12:02:23 AM

It’s a famous short story centering around an arena where those accused of a crime must pick one of two doors, receiving at random either marriage or death.


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