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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96101: Feb 2nd 2019 at 2:26:30 AM

Frankly, I am kind of ridiculously excited that we will get to see another friendship between two females...in the movies, we didn't have this since Thor, and there it too less than five minutes for Selwig to butt in.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#96102: Feb 2nd 2019 at 5:14:01 AM

Uh, Nakia and Okoye and Shuri were all friends. I really liked their dynamic.

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#96103: Feb 2nd 2019 at 5:23:55 AM

Gamora and Nebula sure didn't start Got G 2 on good terms, but they talked their problems out and learned to get along and I've always loved their scenes together.

Anyway, yay more Carol action. Also something something Carol smiling.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96104: Feb 2nd 2019 at 5:38:27 AM

[up][up] Sure, but they all orbited around T'Challa and all the scenes they shared were about T'Challa. That is not quite the same as what I want.

Edited by Swanpride on Feb 2nd 2019 at 5:38:47 AM

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#96105: Feb 2nd 2019 at 6:43:27 AM

I keep seeing static creeping in from around my field of vision that Captain Marvel is going to suck and predicting failure. Fuck. That. Noise.

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#96106: Feb 2nd 2019 at 6:49:01 AM

There's always an uncertainty with Superhero hero movies,or any new film release for that matter

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#96107: Feb 2nd 2019 at 6:56:57 AM

Yeah, but with this one I feel like there's a body of people rooting for it to fail... maybe so they can discredit the idea of female-led superhero movies.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96108: Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:07:01 AM

There is a group of Anti-SJW which are campaigning hard for it to fail. They complain about really EVERYTHING and are currently foaming out of their mouth because there is a rumour that the movie is not just good, but brilliant.

We will know for sure in two months, but I hope the rumours are true, because this would show once and for all how ridiculous those people are.

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#96109: Feb 2nd 2019 at 8:11:53 AM

I think the same group was predicting that Wonder Woman would suck, it's just that people called them out for their sexism less because the DCCU had yet to put out a single good film, so there was every reason to think it would suck.

Of course, Wonder Woman turned out to be awesome, and I'm sure Captain Marvel will too, especially since Marvel has a much better track record.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 2nd 2019 at 9:12:26 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#96110: Feb 2nd 2019 at 8:25:58 AM

Yeah, there were people with good faith concerns that have mostly dried up after the some of the more recent marketing. But it's the difference from thinking it might be bad based on how the initial previews struck you, and wanting it to be bad or thinking it could of only be bad from the day it was announced. The former is judging the Captain Marvel as a movie, and the latter is just sexism.

Also, here's a preview clip of the movie.

Nothing super spoilery, just a bit of lead up to the train scene we've already seen in the trailers.

Edited by Falrinn on Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:27:04 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96111: Feb 2nd 2019 at 8:49:44 AM

I'm good, thanks. At this point I mostly want to see some reviews.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96112: Feb 2nd 2019 at 8:54:05 AM

There's also some Agent Coulson in that clip, too, for AOS fans.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96113: Feb 2nd 2019 at 9:03:02 AM

[up] Nice try. But nope. Tempting, but I want to enjoy the movie.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96114: Feb 2nd 2019 at 9:04:46 AM

But don't you want some spoilers, Swanpride? Some delicious, delicious spoilers? Here, I'll even spoiler-tag one for you: Ha, not really, just kidding.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#96116: Feb 2nd 2019 at 9:50:26 AM

Here's one spoiler: Coulson dies in The Avengers.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#96117: Feb 2nd 2019 at 10:01:14 AM

and he stays dead forever

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#96118: Feb 2nd 2019 at 10:02:00 AM

In Hell. evil grin

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#96121: Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:58:10 AM

Meeting him on the ancestor plane basically,although there's the matter of heart shaped herbs given they were alll destroyed

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#96122: Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:33:06 AM

[up][up]Im not surprised at all, is clear he was too good for just one movie, is kinda the new loki in that.

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#96123: Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:42:07 AM

Eh, they'll probably just find more.

Burning the heart-shaped herbs was a crucial moment for Killmonger's character, demonstrating the kind of short-sighted "F*ck you, got mine" logic endemic to authoritarianism. It was a valuable scene because it shows that Killmonger not only cares nothing for tradition but also for legacy; he's not planning for there to ever be another King of Wakanda after him.

Obviously no one lives forever, but like many rulers both good and bad before him, Killmonger isn't thinking of that. He sees the line of succession as only a threat to his rule and not an inevitable thing that has to exist to ensure a clear and unmessy transition of power when time does to the king what it does to all things.

His disdain for the succession also demonstrates his lack of regard for Wakanda as a whole. The nation, to him, is a means to an end. He wants to use their resources to trigger a global revolution. He sees Wakanda as the start of his own imperialist agenda, with the end-goal of creating his own version of the world his people have fought so hard to escape from, but with the demographics flipped to put the whips in black people's hands.

"The world's gonna start over and this time we're gonna be on top."

Dude's basically Magneto.

So, yeah. All in all, burning the heart-shaped herbs is a very important moment for Killmonger that shows us a lot about his character and mindset. It's a good scene to have.

But I never really expected it to last. Again, maybe this is just comics making me cynical about plot points, but I always figured that they'd just find more somehow before succession ever became a concern. Maybe someone else grabbed some. Maybe they notice some growing in some dude's field one day. Maybe Shuri's synthesizing some in her lab or something. Who knows?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 3rd 2019 at 9:44:12 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96124: Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:43:28 AM

Or Doctor strange shows him how to visit the ancestor plane with herbs

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#96125: Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:44:59 AM

A synthetic version could be an interesting plot point. Maybe a tradition vs technology thing, possibly have someone else get powers (though I'd rather not another mirror-powers villain).


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