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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96026: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:10:17 PM

It was a future version of Thanos, one of which even the man himself was disgusted of.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96027: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:14:35 PM

So the Maestro version of Thanos. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96028: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:19:11 PM

You know, that is kind of shitty because that means that the Ghost Rider mostly takes out people who still have some good in them and might turn around eventually while the true psychopaths are protected from him.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96029: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:23:02 PM

Well he's powers were given to him by the Marvel's devil so...

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96030: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:23:27 PM

The Spirit of Vengeance, dude(tte), it's not supposed to be a paragon of morality, or even all that rational.

Though personally I still prefer the way the movie did it (and my finger bones nearly tore themselves off my hands writing this) when all you need to have is a soul for the Penance Stare to work, as the Ghost Rider there is far more Christian and has a "Hell's Torturer" thing going on.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 30th 2019 at 7:24:11 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96031: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:58:35 PM

Galactus is exactly the kind of being the Penance stare shouldn't work on anyway. It's like making a hurricane feel guilty.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96032: Jan 30th 2019 at 2:59:19 PM

Yeah, which is why that cartoon scene, memetic as it is, is quite BS.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#96033: Jan 30th 2019 at 3:01:16 PM

I wonder if the stare could effect The Sentry...

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96034: Jan 30th 2019 at 3:01:51 PM

Crybaby that he is, probably tongue

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#96035: Jan 30th 2019 at 3:26:02 PM

[up]x7: Spirit of Vengeance, not Spirit of 'Justice' or 'Balance' or 'Redemption' or something positive-powered by the Marvel incarnation of Satan, as others above have said.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#96036: Jan 30th 2019 at 5:13:59 PM

The more ridiculous thing is that writers come up with so many outs for Ghost Rider's Penance Stare (it won't work on someone's as insane as Deadpool, or someone who feels they're completely self-righteous, or someone who enjoys what they do, or...) to the point it becomes effectively useless and only really good for a few extremely limited scenarios.

By this point I'm actually surprised the Ghost Rider still even tries given there's so many caveats to it.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#96037: Jan 30th 2019 at 5:14:56 PM

Re: Galactus talk

I like Lifebringer. Partly because I really like Ultimates 2015. I'm disappointed that some Ultron horde was able to force him back, when Lord Order and Master Chaos weren't able to successfully keep him that way.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96038: Jan 30th 2019 at 5:33:50 PM

At least he got to save the whole Multiverse with it. It was neat for as long as he held on.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#96039: Jan 30th 2019 at 5:38:15 PM

Even though Galactus was originally the mortal Galan, whatever capacity he would have for guilt was more or less erased when he became Galactus. The Penance Stare shouldn't work on him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96040: Jan 30th 2019 at 5:38:57 PM

I'd really love to see an Ultimates adaptation here.

T'Challa really is one of the smartest men in the universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96041: Jan 30th 2019 at 5:41:54 PM

The genius role was passed over to Shuri, now he's more of a spiritual leader like, well, like comics!Shuri.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 30th 2019 at 10:42:11 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96042: Jan 30th 2019 at 6:08:31 PM

Well he could prolly quickly learn shit & go into fields beyond just tech.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96043: Jan 30th 2019 at 6:28:30 PM

So, I was rewatching Ant-Man and the Wasp yesterday and remembered that Janet van Dyne said living in the Quantum Realm had changed her. "It's not just about adaptation, it's also evolution." And that got me thinking.

We know that Endgame will have something to do with the Quantum Realm and probably time travel. What if, in traveling back to prevent the Snap, they expose the entire world to the Quantum Realm and its Quantum Energies...causing a leap in evolution among some people. You know...mutants.

I mean, they wouldn't outright say mutants, but it would be implied. And because the Quantum Energies were scattered throughout time, mutants would have already existed...due to Timey Wimey-ness. Or something.

In any case, even if this doesn't happen, I'm still saying that Janet van Dyne is the MCU's first mutant.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#96044: Jan 30th 2019 at 6:51:21 PM

Technically Janet would be a Mutate since she was altered later in life as opposed to being born that way.

Like so many other characters: Bruce Banner, Wanda, Pietro...

Edited by M84 on Jan 30th 2019 at 10:52:10 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#96045: Jan 30th 2019 at 8:21:37 PM

Spidey too.

Cap to an extent.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#96046: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:11:37 AM

Which isn't to say the Quantum Verse can't be responsible for some kind of Mass Empowering Event that causes mutants to be born. The Infinity Stones could also be responsible — it wouldn't be unbelievable if all of that cosmic power being unleashed had some kind of lasting effect on people regardless of whether The Snap is reversed or not.

That's not too different from what happened in the original X-Men comics. The reason they are called Children of the Atom is because the detonation of the nukes in WW II led to a spike in mutant birth rates. Prior to that mutants were extremely rare.

Edited by M84 on Jan 31st 2019 at 5:14:07 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96047: Jan 31st 2019 at 2:34:54 AM

Well, the MCU already had an event which creates powered people...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#96048: Jan 31st 2019 at 2:42:21 AM

That they appear to have no intentions on using.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96049: Jan 31st 2019 at 3:41:17 AM

Who knows...the experiments of the Kree might come up in Captain Marvel...

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96050: Jan 31st 2019 at 3:49:32 AM

If you have a dormant X-Gene that's awakaned thanks to a external interference (Quantum bullshit, radiation, etc), does that still makes you a mutate?


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