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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#95926: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:32:24 PM

We’ve had this discussion before re: Magneto. I’ll repeat what I said before: while Magneto is a hit or miss character, depending on the writer, I VEHEMENTLY oppose erasing his Jewish heritage. For f***’s sake, they just did a study showing a ton of people think the holocaust was exaggerated; anti-Semitic hate crimes have skyrocketed, and for better or worse, Magneto is one of the few prominent Jewish superheroes/villains.

This is also totally anecdotal on my part, but every jewish person I've spoken to (including ones on this forum) have said that they preferred Magneto to be jewish and just work within that to iron out potential problems.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#95927: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:37:00 PM

In case of thor and cap is that while they look age, they dont look TOO age, at least not the extent of Tony.

Maybe Eric could be the son of holocaust survivors? and having facing is own version with genosha?.

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#95928: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:38:25 PM

I'm Jewish, and I would hate if Magneto was changed to not be. He's one of the most famous villains/anti-heroes in all of Marvel, and his popularity comes from his depth and what he represents.

Kitty Pryde should still have a role as a heroic Jew, maybe the two could even have a talk about Judaism and the Holocaust. You could draw some great parallels between the two, one young, modern, and optimistic, the other old, bitter, and cynical.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95929: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:38:41 PM

Let me ask you all this: Would Cap still be Cap if you took away the WW2 background?

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2019 at 1:39:04 PM

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#95930: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:42:17 PM

@Forenperser: I meant neither, what I meant is if the issue is with the lack of Jewish representation in Marvel Movies you don't need to always use Magneto for that, as he is starting to outstay his welcome a bit, and instead you can simply pick Jewish character who are more obscure and put them in a movie or team and give it a popularity boost.

That's how the MCU started and is how I wish them to keep going: forget Wolverine, Magneto, Charles and Mystique, center the story on Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Cyclops and for God's sake make Jean Gray do something other than be a prize Logan and Scott keep fighting over. No more love triangles, I believe I speak for everyone on that.

And give Nightcrawler a movie. I'm serious, they took Daredevil away from me, and I need a substitute.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 29th 2019 at 9:43:35 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#95931: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:44:46 PM

> And give Nightcrawler a movie.

Can't really go with Nightcrawler as a movie's title because there's a film called that,and you don't want to confuse people

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95932: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:45:40 PM

I don't think a solo Nightcrawler film would work very well.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95933: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:48:22 PM

[up][up]Pretty sure copyright would be more of a problem.

Rather doubt people would mistake a fairly small, if successful film for a Marvel blockbuster.

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#95934: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:48:23 PM

Solo superhero films have an uphill if they're part of a team and not normally the focus

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#95935: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:49:24 PM

Since we were talking about Carol a few pages back and now Magneto: Anybody remeber this incredibly tasteless piece, where Carol basically compared Magneto (A holocaust survivor, as pretty much everyone in that verse knows?!) to a Godwins Law invoking internet troll? Really, what were they thinking?

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#95936: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:49:26 PM

Then put Nightcrawler in a team movie, I don't care, I want my blue fuzzy, dammit!

[up]They weren't, that's the problem.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 29th 2019 at 9:51:06 AM

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#95937: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:51:22 PM

Nightcrawler would be a bizarre choice for solo movie I don't see the MCU making. I love the character but he's a little short on solo material or a rogues gallery.

I can't imagine the weapons-grade Catholicism would go too well in a MCU movie either.

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#95938: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:52:31 PM

There’s also a recent moment where people (Scarlet Witch included) gave Mags grief just because he dared to do the “horrible crime” of killing the Red Skull.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 29th 2019 at 4:52:39 AM

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#95939: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:52:38 PM

Oh they can scrub the religious aspects don't worry,that's not a problem for them really

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Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 29th 2019 at 12:53:00 PM

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#95940: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:53:42 PM

Then you hit the brick wall of Catholicism being a cornerstone of Nightcrawler's character.

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#95941: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:53:52 PM

What's the problem with him being Catholic? I mean I don't like how Singer turned him into a guilt ridden stereotype, but they can just tone it down to the Claremont-era, where his religion was a part of his life but didn't define him.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95942: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:55:10 PM

[up][up][up][up] I remember that. Axis, right? Well, Rick Remender was a pretty horrid X-Writer in general. Remember that terrible speech Alex held about being a mutant?

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2019 at 1:55:30 PM

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#95943: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:56:13 PM

There’s also Inhumans vs X-Men where despite the Terrigsn Gas wiping out out Mutants through a giant gas death cloud, we were still supposed to root for the Inhumans.

The moment Magneto said “I will not let my people be gassed again”, the Inhumans lost what little minuscule ground they had.

[up] Indeed it’s Axis & a shame too because his X-Force was pretty dope.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 29th 2019 at 4:56:52 AM

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#95944: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:56:36 PM

> Then you hit the brick wall of Catholicism being a cornerstone of Nightcrawler's character.

if they wanted to they could rewrite his character and keep him catholic but tone down the parts deemed extreme

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95945: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:58:49 PM

I'd hope they'd have gotten rid of his becoming a priest being an Azazel plot but they already appear to have decoupled the two characters and their relationship with Mystique in the Fox films, somewhat. It's probably too entrenched in these characters at this point for them to bring back the idea of Kurt being Destiny's son.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95946: Jan 29th 2019 at 4:59:56 PM

I was hoping nobody would bring up Inhumans vs X-Men xD Yeah. That was totally, totally disgusting. The whole effort of trying to replace the mutants with the Inhumans in general was, really.

The Inhumans are a bunch of slave-holding, elitist eugenetics. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to have them replace Marvel's allegory to racism, homophobia, anti-semitism etc?

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#95948: Jan 29th 2019 at 5:00:34 PM

Pearlmutter.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#95949: Jan 29th 2019 at 5:02:19 PM

Pearlnutter more like

Anyway,the problem is the Royal Family more then anything else,you can still have inhumans just dont include them

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#95950: Jan 29th 2019 at 5:07:51 PM

The Inhumans were only really a thing in Agents of SHIELD which the films happily ignore.

Claremont Nightcrawler was a swashbuckling adventurer that had faith, but wasn’t defined by it. That would be great for an ongoing series of film or TV, this blue globetrotting adventurer helping out the X-Men and fighting bad guys. (Wasn’t that Excalibur’s premise in the 90’s?) There’s plenty you can do to make him different from Matt.


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