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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95826: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:02:07 AM

[up] Exactly. Especially in a world like the Marvel Universe, where the future is constantly in flux with parallel universes and all that stuff in the mix too.

[up][up]Doesn't change that before she was arrested, she showed no sign of being evil whatsoever. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Carol was driven by grief and guilt. That is never a good/stable motivator. And trying to force others into agreeing with you is bad too.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2019 at 5:04:47 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95827: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:07:02 AM

The only presence of Xmen i'm prepared to tolerate in the cinematic universe is a small cameo that confirms they do exist ,like have them visit a park somewhere and have these two guys playing chess in the background when one of the pierces move on their own,all this is done in the background without drawing attention to it

You could do similar things with hiding mutants in plain sight until you decide the time is right or something

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95828: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:15:08 AM

Don't know...I like the idea that the existence of Mutans changed the history of the world.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95829: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:15:47 AM

Doesn't change that before she was arrested, she showed no sign of being evil whatsoever. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I never said she wasn't wrong, I said she wasn't being fascist. If she was being fascist, she would have thrown the lady into jail and never let her out.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95830: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:19:16 AM

Trouble is,they can't be the world changing presence without messing up continuity,I feel its easier to acknowledge their presence as a background gag for now and wait for time in the future when they can properly introduce them

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Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 29th 2019 at 4:19:34 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95831: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:20:59 AM

Maybe have them come from a parallel world, with the barrier between worlds being shattered by the whole Thanos war thing.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2019 at 5:21:06 PM

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Disasturbator
#95832: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:24:07 AM

and now I'm imagining Dr.Strange opening a portal and a bunch of Xmen spilling out evil grin

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95833: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:24:32 AM

Mutants work best if they've secretly existed the entire time, but only recently (within the last few decades) started to come out into the open. While that might make some issues within the MCU's timeline, I think it definitely can be done. Just with a handwave of "don't think about too much."

Edited by alliterator on Jan 29th 2019 at 8:25:05 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95835: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:27:22 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Which is why I want them into a parallel universe.

Let's imagine a world in which Asgard actually did its job properly and the Kree never managed to experiment on humans. So Inhumans never were a thing. Instead humans eventually started to mutate on their own, and their existence came slowly known in the 19th century. Since they were a thing, there was never a supersoldier serum developed (because why should you if there are actually people in power out there you just need to find for your own use). And without the Supersoldier serum, there never was a Hulk either.

You could really play around how the existence of Mutants changed history after WWII, hence leading to the kind of dystopian version of the US we usually see in the X-men comics.

This would make a dimension hopping crossover with the current reality of the MCU doubly interesting, because it would be very odd for the X-men to see a world in which the Avengers are heroes.

[up][up] Oh no, no handwaves! That would ruin the MCU.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 29th 2019 at 8:29:00 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#95836: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:29:28 AM

That whole storyline is meaningless in a world where Minority Report exists.

Does Minority Report exist in the Marvel Universe?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#95837: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:30:26 AM

At this point the hassle involved with including mutants isn't worth the effort to bring them into the MCU.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95838: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:34:02 AM

I would let the Mutants be for a while anyway´. At least for five years or so.

I want a Silver Surfer origin movie first!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95839: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:37:06 AM

There isn’t really any hassle, though. Pretty much all the groundwork that would allow mutant plots to exist is already in place. We already have a government and society that fears gifted people and wants to control them. We already have a World Of Adventure that’s built to accommodate the revelation that people are just plain getting superpowers. It’s definitely a universe that would fit a concept like the X-Men without much problem.

Most of the assumption that the mutants would be a hassle comes with the assumption that they would somehow retroactively change things, but there is zero reason for that to be the case.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95840: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:37:21 AM

The X-Men have their own decent cinematic verse.

The Fantastic Four would be in much greater need to be integrated into the MCU, with all their shitty previous movies. They also wouldn't cause such a continuity hassle.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2019 at 5:40:09 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95842: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:38:42 AM

[up][up] Why assume that Marvel is only going to incorporate one, and not both?

[up] An elderly man with superpowers who faced hardship in the past and has now become a bitter but influential person in the present, yet has as of yet been behind the scenes? What’s the problem? It’s no more intrusive than Hank Pym being an established superhero that no one in the present had heard of until he resurfaced.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 29th 2019 at 8:42:06 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#95843: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:46:08 AM

If you ask me, the simplest way to integrate the X-Men would be to do a loose adaptation of Genosha: mutants have always existed but they have also been (for the most part) hidden away in Genosha with their own set of internal intrigue and problems. And then you could either play it with the classic take of Genosha where it's pseudo-apartheid era South Africa with mutant slaves or you could just go with the "mutant homeland" Genosha (where the whole thing is run by mutants) depending how you want to play this.

Some cataclysm would bring Genosha to light, one presumes, and we kick off from that point.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95844: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:53:20 AM

I think the flip side, though I like that idea. IMO, the best way is to have some major mutant characters (IE Xavier and Eric) be around and inactive for a years, but for the mutant situation itself to be something that happens in the present. People are starting to pay attention to gifted people now, and more are being born, and that’s starting to change things.

In execution, that involves known mutant characters showing up in other series which they’re known for. For first: Mystique in a Captain Marvel sequel, Whirlwind in Ant-Man, maybe even Wolverine in something Captain America. They’re there as normal supporting characters, not X-Men advertisement, but the audience starts to notice them. And eventually a future movie has it as a plot point that people are reacting to these powered people - calling them mutants instead of enchanted, and the world is starting to split l.

So people like Xavier, who were content to live their lives without incident previously, now come into the light to protect their fellows. And people like Eric, fearing a repeat of the trauma of his youth, come out to do the same.

That’s really easy to set up and doesn’t create any continuity problems whatsoever.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95845: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:56:35 AM

I like the idea of Mystique in a Captain Marvel sequel, because it would establish her enemies as all shapeshifters, not just Skrulls.

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#95846: Jan 29th 2019 at 9:01:06 AM

Does Minority Report exist in the Marvel Universe?

Yes, Hijinx cites it during the Ms. Marvel: Civil War II arc.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 29th 2019 at 9:02:49 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#95847: Jan 29th 2019 at 9:32:22 AM

I remember an issue of Squadron Supreme where Thundra points out that she's from "the future", but so is Cable, and so is Bishop, and so is Logan, and none of their futures are even remotely the same, so maybe Carol's full of shit.

My various fanfics.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95848: Jan 29th 2019 at 9:37:43 AM

Except they are all from the far future (at least twenty to a thousand years), while Ulysses was predicting things that were in the immediate future (things that would happen within days or weeks). And of his predictions, only one of them was incorrect.

According to Tony, Ulysses's powers worked by analyzing all the variables in the universe and predicting the most logical outcome. Which is why he was basically recruited to be a higher power at the end of CWII (which was a total cop-out, too).

Edited by alliterator on Jan 29th 2019 at 9:39:22 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95849: Jan 29th 2019 at 9:47:02 AM

If I ever get the chance one day, I'll write a throw away comment that Ulysses was brutally executed by the cosmic beings for being such a pussy-footed goober.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95850: Jan 29th 2019 at 9:56:36 AM

You can just have it be like what the Celestials said to Machine Man. "Aaron Stack, you who are called Machine Man. You have traveled with us for three hundred and sixty cycles by your reckoning of time. There is now something we have to tell you: You are a total ☠☠☠☠." And then they give him the L-for-loser sign.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 29th 2019 at 9:57:39 AM


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