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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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People already hated Carol for being a perceived Creator's Pet beforehand. Civil War 2 indicated they truly didn't know what they were doing with her sudden rise to prominence as well as being a needless cashing in on the fact that the Civil War movie brought the name back.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 28th 2019 at 9:57:31 AM
And you know: It's Jessica Jones.
Not a nice person.
So, have Jess and Peter ever talked about how crazy it is that they not only went to the same high school, but got their powers around the same time?
Though I suppose that's more a topic for the comic thread than here.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 28th 2019 at 10:55:30 AM
One Strip! One Strip!Edited by alliterator on Jan 28th 2019 at 9:58:34 AM
"Wait, was it a crush, or were you in love? Because those are very different things."
It was funny because when Jessica said she had a crush, Luke thought it was funny but when she said she was in love, that was when he got annoyed.
My various fanfics.I liked the first half of AvX. It was a pretty solid premise. After the Mutant Decimation, the remaining mutants had basically withdrawn from the human world under Cyclops's leadership. For years, Marvel had been building up that Cyclops was turning into the next-gen Magneto out of fear for his people's future. AvX was the breaking point.
The Phoenix Force was moving through the universe, cutting a path towards Earth. Every world it passed, it incinerated in its wake. Intelligent worlds populated with billions of lives were destroyed in the fires of creation and destruction. And it wanted Earth.
Specifically, it wanted Hope Summers, a prospective Phoenix Host. The X-Men believed that when the Phoenix arrived, it would not destroy the world but would instead bring the light of creation and reignite the flame of mutantkind. They see it as their messianic last hope.
The Avengers believe that a trail of dead worlds is a pattern, and that the Phoenix has to be prevented from reaching Earth at all costs. The plan is that if it wants Hope, then they'll take Hope out into space and play a game of cosmic keep-away until they can develop a better understanding of what the Phoenix is, what it wants, and what it intends to do with her.
Neo-Magneto Scott is not going to surrender one of his mutants to humans and their agendas without a fight, and also he kinda wants to let the Phoenix come to Earth. The Avengers, meanwhile, aren't about to let the legalities of abducting a minor from a sovereign nation that does not recognize their authority stop them from saving the world. Let's You and Him Fight.
That whole setup and the ensuing action was pretty good. But then the Phoenix arrived and the second half took a sharp left turn into f*cksville.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 29th 2019 at 8:34:18 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.A v X was just the culmination of Scott's Ron the Death Eater Informed Wrongness trip. The Avengers acted like utter thugs throughout the event, with Captain America of all people being the biggest victim of the Jerkass Ball.
Disagree on the normal 616 verse, but totally agree on the MCU by now. Especially with the Inhumans acting as their poor mans substitute....
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2019 at 4:37:13 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianSo Carol's entire position was "These predictions can save a ton of lives" (which was true), while Tony's position was "These predictions aren't 100% accurate, so you will end up making a mistake and costing people's lives." This is compounded by the fact that Rhodey died due to their fight with Thanos and Bruce Banner died after they confronted him, but that wasn't even really their fault — Bruce told Hawkeye to kill him if he saw him start to change.
The whole storyline was a mess and was compounded by the fact that the tie-ins tended to portray Carol's side as way worse than Tony's, even though it was then pointed out that Tony had done the exact same thing when he ran a team called "Force Works."
Edited by alliterator on Jan 29th 2019 at 7:48:22 AM
The woman didn't 'turn out to be a villain', she was trying to get revenge for her unlawful imprisonment. Wrong, yes, but understandable, it is a classical case of Create Your Own Villain on Carol's part.
And sorry, but Carol was in carge, she is responsible for her underlings actions. And acting before something happened is just wrong, no matter how you look at it.
That is the same kind of attitude that get's minorities shot by overzealous police officers.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianEdited by alliterator on Jan 29th 2019 at 8:01:47 AM

Even prior to Civil War 2, and persisting after it, Carol is just unlikeable. As for the conflict itself, in short, Carol's ends were bad, and Tony's methods were bad.