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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#95776: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:20:31 PM

Wait, Priest actually made Adeline worst than Slade?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95777: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:22:29 PM

She's not really worst than Slade, she's just a bad person too.

And even when Slade tried to go good (after being traumatized & nearly killed by a botched attempt at becoming a speedster to travel time) he can't stop manipulating people & being an ass because Slade Wilson is irreparably fucked.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#95778: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:23:32 PM

Yeah, is this all recent stuff, or from the past.

Not sure if I like the idea of the dude who propositioned a Teenager and killed Ryan Choi being the better person between him and his ex.

There's a reason he was given Baby Hands in Convergence, and we all said seems fair enough.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95779: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:23:49 PM

[up]x5 Oh, don't I know it.

Took me longer than I care to admit to actually understand what was going during the first arc of his BP run.

My faulty-at-the-time grasp of English certainly didn't help.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 28th 2019 at 6:24:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95780: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:28:21 PM

The comic also dealt with that after bringing in Terra to join Slade's hero group.

Slade does apologize & admits it was wrong what he did to her but he also tells her straight up he doesn't regret using her in other ways, & that being used & "owned" by him is all she's good for to him.

No matter how bad everyone else is, Slade motherfucking Wilson is a true Wheelon.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 28th 2019 at 1:28:56 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95781: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:48:22 PM

Not sure if I like the idea of the dude who propositioned a Teenager and killed Ryan Choi being the better person between him and his ex.
This takes place in the New 52/DC Rebirth era, so this Deathstroke never killed Ryan Choi or had sex with Terra (even if he did manipulate her). But yeah, the comic is really specific about the fact that Slade Wilson is a terrible, terrible person and will never be redeemed.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 28th 2019 at 1:49:10 AM

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#95782: Jan 28th 2019 at 3:11:18 PM

When a film wins for "Best Cast", who gets to keep the award? Tge director?

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#95783: Jan 28th 2019 at 3:15:27 PM

I’d think the casting director would get it [lol]

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95784: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:45:36 PM

I wonder how they're going to keep up the loving tradition of Let's You and Him Fight in Avengers: Endgame. There's at least one needless but totally fanservice fight between heroes in every one of the Avengers movies, so it's going to happen sometime..

I'm guessing, if the plot involves time travel, they accidentally get into a fight with the Past Avengers. Either that or they fight over whether they should risk it in the first place.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 28th 2019 at 6:45:44 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95785: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:49:40 PM

I can do without to be honest. I suspect the very point of Endgame will be them working together for a change anyway.

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#95786: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:54:29 PM

Those fanservice fights always center around Iron Man. Tony's fought Thor, the Hulk, and Captain America in a more serious and dramatic battle than the typical mid-movie throwdown.

So if we were to follow suit, I'd say Endgame's fanservice battle will probably be Iron Man v. Captain Marvel. Thus giving her a chance to establish herself as being totally able to hang with the Avengers' heavy hitters.

Alternately, they could break from tradition and have Captain Marvel fight Thor.

Either way, if anyone's going to be fighting anyone, it'll probably be Carol.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 28th 2019 at 7:56:35 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95787: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:56:34 PM

I half-seriously expect to the hero fight to be Black Widow vs Ronin.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95788: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:57:35 PM

[up][up] Frankly, I expect them to do that by having her rescue Tony.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#95789: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:01:50 PM

Bah. Don't miss an opportunity to beat up Tony Stark because of logic!

Carol vs Tony is ok with me. Considering what happened the last time they faced off, I'm very ok with it.cool

Right, mostly joking. but we all know Carol would wreck Tony right?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95790: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:02:52 PM

[up] Huh now I want Tony to win.

Man I hate being reminded of Carol being written terribly.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95791: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:04:05 PM

??? We don't know if she will be written terrible. I don't see how her defeating Tony would automatically be terrible writing. Or how anyone would expect any terrible writing from Marcus and Mc Feely.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 28th 2019 at 7:04:48 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#95792: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:04:50 PM

Fair enough.

Civil Wars tend to not bring out the best in Starks or Danvers'.

Rogers' don't come out too well in them either considering he died at the end of the first one and was a nazi during the second one.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95793: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:05:10 PM

I'm hoping she won't......

I just don't like to think about the recent shit she's done in the comics.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#95794: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:47:41 PM

I know Civil War 1 was a shit-show in the comics, but it turned into a pretty great movie. What was Civil War 2 about? I'm curious if it could be salvaged into a Captain Marvel or Iron Man movie later down the line.

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#95795: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:54:51 PM

Civil War II was about an Inhuman named Ulysses who had the power to predict probable futures. Captain Marvel's side wanted to use Ulysses to predict crimes ahead of time, Iron Man's side was against using him.

I dunno if it'd be a good idea, since "pre-crime punishment is bad" has already been covered in The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. So in the MCU it might come off as redundant. But if they do adapt it, I think they should establish the 616 Ultimates, as that series did a lot to flesh out Carol's POV unlike the main Civil War line where she went well off the deep end. Specifically, include that Carol is haunted by witnessing what the Marvel timeline ''really'' looks like, and that America Chavez is acting as a mole within her team because she's seen bad timelines caused by use of Ulysses.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 28th 2019 at 8:01:22 AM

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#95796: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:57:59 PM

There's at least one needless but totally fanservice fight between heroes in every one of the Avengers movies, so it's going to happen sometime.

Thanos has the mind gem right? Just have him use that.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#95797: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:08:38 PM

[up][up]So, Civil War 2 would be an Iron Man movie? Could work as an interesting reversal of the dynamic in Civil War 1.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#95798: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:09:57 PM

Well, depending on how Endgame goes, it may not be Iron Man leading a side.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#95799: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:11:37 PM

Yeah, all this speculation is going off of the assumption that Tony survives Endgame, which is a pretty gigantic assumption to make, considering he's one of the most likely characters to die in that movie.

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#95800: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:18:29 PM

Civil War 2, like Civil War 1, introduces an interesting question and then proceeds to butcher it.

It starts with killing off Rhodey and hospitalizing She-Hulk so that both Tony and Carol can have feelings to feel that keep them from being in their right mind. Then it can't decide if it wants to be about pre-crime punishment or about Ulysses specifically, with things like Tony kidnapping Ulysses to make sure his powers are on the up and up which have nothing to do with the theme.

By the end of it, Carol's like the only straight-up kills Tony in a scene that directly compares her to Thanos killing Rhodey and I guess that means she's wrong? And also Ulysses disappears in a Puff of F*ck You and becomes one with fate or some shit so all of it was pointless anyway.

Oh, and any attempt at "Both sides have valid points" ambiguity is, like the original CW event did to Tony, completely and utterly ripped to pieces by tie-ins that near-universally declare that Carol's a puppy-kicking supervillain now.

All in all, it winds up being an exercise in pointlessness that drags Carol through the mud to accomplish nothing except killing off Tony and Rhodey so Ironheart can take the stage.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 28th 2019 at 9:22:15 AM

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