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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95751: Jan 27th 2019 at 10:16:24 PM

The last one, unless something happened recently in the comics they're not related there either.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95752: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:35:28 AM

Yeah, they aren't related in the comics, so they probably aren't related in the MCU.

Fun fact: in the comics, Christopher Priest created Everett K. Ross to be similar to Chandler Bing. Priest was afraid that fans wouldn't like Black Panther if it was "too black," so he had a white narrator (Ross) telling the story of T'Challa in a funny, mixed up way.

I understand why they didn't go that way with the movie, but it still would have been hilarious to see a pants-less Ross trying and failing to kill a giant rat in his bathroom or sitting down on the couch with Mephisto or hurriedly trying to take off the pants Mephisto provided him and realizing he can't ("Oh sweet lord. I just sold my soul for a pair of pants. I am wearing the Devil's Pants...") or saying "Don't start none, won't be none."

Edited by alliterator on Jan 28th 2019 at 12:36:52 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95753: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:39:27 AM

Ross & T’Challa’s relationship in the comics really was sweet.

Even though T’Challa tended to emote with the range of a fence post you could tell he valued his time with Ross & trusted him immensely considering at one point he let him run Wakanda in his stead.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95754: Jan 28th 2019 at 4:27:50 AM

I kind of had a thing for the interaction between Ross and M'Baku.

Btw, love the reaction of the cast during the SAG awards...it is obvious that they really didn't expect to win after a long stretch of "well, it was a honour to be nominated". But once you think about it, it is obvious. If the Academy had a "best ensemble" award, too, Black Panther most likely would be the forerunner.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 28th 2019 at 6:40:56 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95755: Jan 28th 2019 at 9:22:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trDSntuNMSU

Trailer for season 6 of Agents of Shield...don't watch if you are spoilerphobe, it reveals more than I would have expected.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95756: Jan 28th 2019 at 10:01:54 AM

I love it. I love that we might be getting back Coulson, but not the real Coulson. It will create a complication and interesting dynamic.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95757: Jan 28th 2019 at 10:07:41 AM

For me that would be kind of a cop out.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 28th 2019 at 7:07:58 PM

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95758: Jan 28th 2019 at 10:24:29 AM

To me, there are two possibilities: he was resurrected without his memories or he's the Coulson from an alternate universe. In either case, I would be perfectly fine with it.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95760: Jan 28th 2019 at 10:46:41 AM

[up] Oh, I guess you haven't watched season 5.....

Shake-Master Since: Dec, 2013
#95761: Jan 28th 2019 at 11:47:47 AM

I kind of had a thing for the interaction between Ross and M'Baku.

Btw, love the reaction of the cast during the SAG awards...it is obvious that they really didn't expect to win after a long stretch of "well, it was a honour to be nominated". But once you think about it, it is obvious. If the Academy had a "best ensemble" award, too, Black Panther most likely would be the forerunner

Eh, even that I'm not sure about, I'd put that to Blac Kk Klansman. Lee is just that tiny bit better at directing his cast than Coogler. Which, given Lee has been directing movies for slightly less time than Coogler has been alive, is absolutely no shame.

Also, can someone explain to me why Feige is listed as diector for Black Panther by the oscars, and not Ryan Coogler?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95762: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:17:08 PM

Huh one thing to look forward too when Ms. Marvel becomes a thing is when people absolutely lose their shit over her.

Like I'm on a site, I go to her comic, look down at the comments section, & you would not believe the mess it is there.

Like people try to justify themselves saying "I'm not racist, I'm just calling out a bad & overhyped comic as I see it" but no, no there's a certain level of venom in their words that make it clear the whole thing is racial based.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 28th 2019 at 12:19:46 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95763: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:19:06 PM

Seeing the alt-right types getting their nark on and going on a meltdown never stops being fun, does it?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#95764: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:23:28 PM

Eh, scadenfreude can be amusing, but a large amount of them are going to be directing their vitriol at the cast, especially on their social media. I would gladly trade alt-right meltdowns for the future Kamala Khan crew’s peace while on the Web.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#95765: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:30:33 PM

[up]x3 - I’ve bought that line of reasoning once, for America Chavez (which I utterly despise as a comic and character). Otherwise, if it’s that bad, why is the racial issue constantly being bought up by naysayers? Go in on the other aspects of the criticism if they’re there.

[up]I’d rather the actress had peace so when people have a genuine reason to rip into someone’s role, they aren’t lumped in as whiners and perpetuating the vicious cycle. Let them be.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 28th 2019 at 3:46:40 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95766: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:32:42 PM

Anything even remotely racial or political will rile them.

I'm reading a Deathstroke comic. Slade is hired by an African warlord, they have a small conversation involving American intervention because one of Slade's assignments is to prevent America from intruding on said warlord's activities, & while they are looking on a pile of corpses dumped into a pit, the warlord smugly says "Heh nothing wrong with what I'm doing. They are Muslims, I'm Christian, its alright" & some people are already calling "SJW shit" or whatever on that.

Keep in mind the author of that comic Christopher Priest, a black man is no stranger to adding such elements to his works. Its just whining for the sake of whining really.

[up] Like if your gonna critique something, don't sound so Goddamn pissed about it. Emotions aren't your friend in such cases.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 28th 2019 at 12:41:38 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95767: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:40:52 PM

I remember the meltdown when she was first announced. I look forward to the MCU not giving a fuck about those people when it's time to introduce her in the films.

Hell, one of the most vivid reactions like this I remember is when the US Postal service did something as simple as adding Eid holiday stamp during the "Freedom Fries" era and racists absolutely lost their minds. It was a perfect example of how completely ridiculous that kind of thinking is.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 28th 2019 at 12:42:18 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#95768: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:46:00 PM

[up][up]I know. “I don’t wanna sound racist but...” just feels like something racial irks them for reasons. It’s stupid. If you’re going to complain about a character, there has to be something outside of that to complain about, something that eclipses and ignores the racial element. Otherwise I feel like I’m within my rights to side-eye the racial element.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95769: Jan 28th 2019 at 12:53:05 PM

I'm reading a Deathstroke comic. Slade is hired by an African warlord
Who, genius that Christopher Priest is, is basically an evil counterpart to the Black Panther called the Red Lion. And Priest holds nothing back — as they look over a field of dead bodies, the Red Lion tells him that he doesn't want any US intervention. Deathstroke says, "Matthew, please. These are black people, they won't care."

Edited by alliterator on Jan 28th 2019 at 12:53:13 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95770: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:06:15 PM

Okay, maybe I should check out the new Deathstroke comic.

Do I need to do any complementary reading to get the story, or can I dive in with no prep time?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#95771: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:07:17 PM

Wow. That's quite a line.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95772: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:10:35 PM

Ooooh that's a tricky one because Priest is the kind of guy who updates himself on the characters entire history.

Because the comic isn't just about Deathstroke, its about Deathstroke's entire family. It deals with his dysfunctions, & stars Jericho & Rose with the death of his first-born Grant as a phantom haunting the family, as well as including his supporting cast like his partner Wintergreen & his bitch ex-wife Adeline.

Like did you know that Slade Wilson was actually blonde? I certainly did not until I read it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#95773: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:15:22 PM

his bitch ex-wife Adeline.

...how is his ex wife a bitch for being rightfully angry at him for getting their son's throat torn out?

One Strip! One Strip!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95774: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:18:51 PM

Do I need to do any complementary reading to get the story, or can I dive in with no prep time?
You can basically dive in with the first volume Deathstroke Rebirth Vol 1: The Professional. Priest basically tells you the backstory as it goes along (he loves doing Anachronic Order flashbacks).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95775: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:19:23 PM

[up][up] Because justified grievances with him aside, she actually is a terrible person just like him.

Aside from treating Rose badly for being Slade's bastard, she's also a CIA agent with a list of horrible atrocities under her belt, & when Slade tried to genuinely go good & set up a hero organization, she attempted to sabotage him for no other reason than just spite.

At one point Slade got access to vital intel on her & it pretty much could have ruined her. He destroyed it though because in spite of everything he still loves her.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 28th 2019 at 1:19:47 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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