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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95726: Jan 27th 2019 at 11:09:10 AM

Dudes, please, could we turn it down with the quoting battles again?

Let's just wait and see. There isn't even a movie announced yet.

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Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#95727: Jan 27th 2019 at 11:09:35 AM

Honestly I get the feeling that at least one of the people involved in this argument is trolling. I don't know who, but something this inane and overly-heated can only be the result of a deliberate effort to start something.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Jan 27th 2019 at 11:10:08 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95728: Jan 27th 2019 at 11:17:09 AM

While I think it's more pragmatic to cast someone who already is, personally I'm more willing to forgive the actress not being a Muslim than not being Pakistani, in the same way I'm more willing to forgive a character who is a certain sexual orientation being played by someone whose orientation is different, because those aspects are more performative and therefore can be remedied by consulting with people who are more knowledgeable.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95729: Jan 27th 2019 at 11:17:34 AM

"The address the issue as it happens".

BRILLIANT Idea. Let's discuss this once there actually IS a Ms Marvel movie. And a casting. This discussion has become way too personal and way too entrenched.

So...I have finally made a decision if I like Got G or Vol 2 better. And the result is: Got G. Basically the last 30 minutes or so of Vol 2 are just amazing, I love everything about it, but the way to get there is a little bit, well, wobbly. In Got G, I love every single scene. But in Vol 2 I kind of space out whenever Yondu, Rocket and Nebula aren't on screen.

But the father and son scene...still let's me dissolve in tears. Just...wow....

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#95730: Jan 27th 2019 at 1:00:46 PM

Thing is, Pakistan as we know it today is a relatively new country, only existing since the late 1940's. Prior to that, the borders of government(s) in the region changed drastically over the millennia. As such, there's no such thing as a Pakistani ethnic group. There are a few ethnic groups that make up the bulk of Pakistan's population, but those ethnic groups can also be found in large numbers in either neighboring India or neighboring Afghanistan. So when casting a Pakistani character, there are many Indian or Afghani actors who'd be just as racially appropriate for the role.

Now, if you're casting a character who's actually from Pakistan, then you might want to get an actor who is as well, just so they get the language and/or accent right. But if you're casting a Pakistani-American, someone who was born in the U.S. to Pakistani immigrants, then that's not going to be an issue, and I have a hard time seeing how what country the actor's parents are from would matter. Nationality isn't some intrinsic trait that you can inherit.

I mean, suppose you have two actors, A and B. Both were born in the United States. A's parents were born in Pakistan, but their grandparents were born in Afghanistan, and most of their ancestors for several generations back lived in that country, not Pakistan. Meanwhile, B's parents were born in Afghanistan, but their grandparents were born in Pakistan, and most of their ancestors for several generations back lived in that country, not Afghanistan. Is one really more appropriate to play a Pakistani-American than the other?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95731: Jan 27th 2019 at 1:18:08 PM

We're still on that? Ms Marvel isn't getting any live-action adaptation until 2020 at the earliest, and absolutely nothing anyone says here will influence the casting, so how about we let the discussion die until we at least get a release date?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95732: Jan 27th 2019 at 1:29:52 PM

[up][up] Not to mention that's inflammatory to the point of my, at least, not wanting to bother if the thread is trying to move on. A comment like that has to start a whole new conversation about history/society/what it means to be a culture group worthy of representation/etc, and this has been addressed over and over again already and has gone on long enough.

If people in general decide start up the convo again, then sure, but literally this entire page has been people asking for this to be dropped, so I think we should pass on that.

What was that about GOTG 2? The death of Yondu? Yep, still the best death scene in the MCU in my opinion. Better than Spidey's death, even. The tears, man.

This is a random thing to think about - I guess it's something that pops in there because I'm a Star Wars fan - but it's one of my favorite uses of Big "NO!" in a movie, too.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 27th 2019 at 1:33:45 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95733: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:11:45 PM

It's my favourite dead in any Superhero movie and my favourite funeral scene ever. It just..it breaks my heart, makes me happy cry, both at the same time. It's perfect.

But it doesn't quite make up for the pacing of the movie as a while. And the potty humour. Takes me out of the movie every single time!

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95734: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:12:51 PM

What potty humour ?

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#95735: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:21:35 PM

I thought we had an interesting conversation going. Not like it's the wildest tangent this thread's ever gone on; we've had multiple, lengthy discussions about what Marvel Studios should do with the Fantastic Four and the X-Men, and we're not even sure they're getting the rights back yet.

But if we're switching to favorite death scenes in the MCU . . . yeah, hard to top Yondu.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95736: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:29:54 PM

Hey, Yondu's scene was great, but the Helecarrier "fight" at the end of TWS is pretty Tear Jerking as well.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#95737: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:31:44 PM

[up][up][up]Rocket threatening to put Drax's shit in Peter's bed?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95738: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:34:03 PM

> I thought we had an interesting conversation going.

I thought it was interesting too,only thing I'll add is that in the current political climate pressures from extremists might put actresses off from considering the role if they were offered it

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95739: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:39:57 PM

Ie the discussion about giant turds...takes me out of the chase scene every single time.

Spider-Man dying comes really close to Yondu. And then there is naturally Groot the first sacrificing himself.

[up] Well, then move it to the diversity thread.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 27th 2019 at 2:41:05 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95740: Jan 27th 2019 at 4:03:16 PM

Y'know, Groot's death doesn't hit me as hard as poor Rocket crying about it later.

I knew it wasn't gonna take, but Rocky's been the movie's primary Comedy Sociopath, so I really felt for the guy.

'Course, if we're talking about touching scenes, this one never fail to tug at my heartstrings:

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95741: Jan 27th 2019 at 4:07:12 PM

Peter's death hurts too much,but at least Thanos didn't physically wound him,his snap death was merciful in that regard,can't imagine anything worse then Peter being badly injured so far from home

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#95742: Jan 27th 2019 at 6:43:12 PM

WELL THEN. That was a lot to read through. I don't have anything of substance to add other than a simple boring "they should get a Pakistani/Pakistani-American girl for the role, simple as that". Even if I don't read comics Kamala is one of if not my absolute most wanted characters for the MCU and I want her integration into film to be done right.

Anyway. I'm firmly in the "Got G 2 > Got G 1 (and basically all other MCU movies)" camp because no other part of the franchise has resonated with me so well, let alone made me cry on multiple viewings. It's just a wonderful movie all around. The visuals, the character writing (especially with how better across the board it is than in the first movie), the music, the themes, the directing, there's just so much love and heart put into this film and I'm so happy it came into my life around when it did.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#95743: Jan 27th 2019 at 6:57:39 PM

Black Panther (2018) has just won the SAG award for Best Ensemble Cast in a Motion Picture.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95744: Jan 27th 2019 at 7:00:52 PM

“Witness the might of the Jabari!” tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#95745: Jan 27th 2019 at 7:21:18 PM

Hell yeah!!! That cast was perfect. Oh god I love that movie so much.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95746: Jan 27th 2019 at 7:24:42 PM

I certainly can get behind that award! The acting was just amazing.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#95747: Jan 27th 2019 at 7:57:41 PM

Good news for Marvel now for the Oscar.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#95748: Jan 27th 2019 at 8:03:55 PM

Awesome.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95749: Jan 27th 2019 at 8:09:44 PM

I can agree with that, most entertaining cast and good, economical use of it along with Winter Soldier.

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Deadly Vu!
#95750: Jan 27th 2019 at 10:14:52 PM

Random Question: Are General Ross, and Agent Ross supposed to be related, or do they just have the same last name?

If they're related, that'd be hilarious to me, knowing General Ross has a relative who's almost his polar opposite (General Ross being antagonistic towards the Avengers, while Agent Ross is more helpful).

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