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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95651: Jan 26th 2019 at 1:45:31 PM

Way to read things into a simple suggestion.

Also, it's not like indian people are overpresent in western media either?

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 26th 2019 at 10:45:38 AM

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Shake-Master Since: Dec, 2013
#95652: Jan 26th 2019 at 1:50:56 PM

More than Pakistani people are.

I mean, say you had a Native American character, that, when you adapted him, you changed the character to be Latino because you couldn't be bothered to try to find a Native American, and your defense was hey, Latinos are underrepresented too. Exactly how well do you think that would go over?

Edited by Shake-Master on Jan 26th 2019 at 1:53:34 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95653: Jan 26th 2019 at 2:09:57 PM

If they do cast an Indian actress I'd very much prefer them not to Race Lift Kamala's nationality with it. Being specifically Pakistani is an essential part of her character.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#95654: Jan 26th 2019 at 2:15:09 PM

Yeahhhh. I'd prefer Kamala not be changed to be an Indian Muslim even if she does end up being played by an Indian actress. I am an Indian Muslim and it would be very cool to have more rep, of course, (in my experience, most people seem to think being Indian and being Muslim is mutually exclusive which is. annoying.) but not at the expense of more Pakistani-American rep. There might not be much representation for Indian-American women in media, but there's certainly even less rep for Pakistani-Americans.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Jan 26th 2019 at 6:15:25 AM

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95655: Jan 26th 2019 at 2:50:16 PM

I think we can all agree, though, that Jameela Jamil should play Faiza Hussain.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#95656: Jan 26th 2019 at 3:02:39 PM

Oh I'd be into that. grin

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95657: Jan 26th 2019 at 5:28:04 PM

I wonder about this when it is actually time to cast the movie. Honestly, the casting department of Marvel is excellent. So why worry?

Plus, first Captain Marvel needs to be a success.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95658: Jan 26th 2019 at 5:34:05 PM

I don't think that movie needs to be a financial success to justify Ms. Marvel. Her comic does pretty well even when opinion of Carol flounders. It's only necessary from a backstory standpoint, unless the lore that movie introduces turns out to be so incredibly poorly received (as in, levels of offensiveness than Suicide Squad can't touch) that anything tangentially related suffers on contact.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95659: Jan 26th 2019 at 5:46:50 PM

[up] We are not talking about the comics. Comic book reader can't carry a movie. If Captain Marvel fails, Marvel will look for another property to adapt and not touch the name for a while.

All this said: I don't think that Captain Marvel will fail. But one step after another. Impatience is what ruined the DCEU, and I want to enjoy the MCU for as long as possible.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#95660: Jan 26th 2019 at 5:54:26 PM

if something show me antman is that what matter is you introduce THE CHARARTER, no the story, not the conflict bu the chararter, if Marvel is badasss enough then she will have a sequel that do better.

it happen with antman and it will happen with strange, hell thor have two awfull movies and a funny one so why no?.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#95661: Jan 26th 2019 at 5:54:47 PM

Honestly, the casting department of Marvel is excellent. So why worry?

While Marvel is great at finding quality actors, they have a much more mixed record on race casting. Everything to do with Doctor Strange is the top of the list, but they've done poorly other times too.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95662: Jan 26th 2019 at 5:58:13 PM

[up]Well, I doubt that the Chinese market cares if Miss Marvel is Pakistani or not.

Plus, Marvel has gotten MUCH better in this regard past Perlmutter.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 26th 2019 at 5:58:40 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#95663: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:01:10 PM

Uh, it’s not whether the Chinese market cares about Ms. Marvel being Pakistani. It’s about respecting the character and the Pakistani American community.

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#95664: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:01:50 PM

Given that China's political response to Muslims has been genocide, it's not worth it to put its government's priorities on Kamala Khan's film. It can't be made "palatable" for its censors, so one shouldn't try.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 26th 2019 at 6:02:59 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95665: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:07:54 PM

[up][up] Oh, believe me, what the Chinese market things counts a LOT. Let's be realistic here.

[up] True, but you can't compare this with the whole Tibet issue.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 26th 2019 at 6:09:07 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95666: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:08:51 PM

Damn China, first Tibet, now Muslims.

What’s next?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95667: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:09:36 PM

[up] If China could pick: Japanese.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#95668: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:17:39 PM

Deciding to remove Tibet (a country currently undergoing genocide) from Doctor Strange out of fear for China (a country currently executing said genocide) was already one of the most cowardly and despicable actions I've seen a major studio do (or support, if it was more of Scott Derrickson's idea as some claim). If they do the same with Kamala's Muslim background I'd honestly say the MCU can go fuck itself with a cactus, even though I love it.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#95669: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:35:12 PM

I wouldn't exactly mind that actress who's being fancasted getting a role in the MCU (then again idk what she's been in or how good she is, but more diversity is always dandy), but I agree with [up]

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95670: Jan 26th 2019 at 6:51:31 PM

I assume China may not be very supportive to a Green Lantern movie with Simon Baez in a starring role then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#95671: Jan 26th 2019 at 8:13:55 PM

Some casting calls, not all of them. Because trying to cast 1-to-1 with race, ethnicity, and nationality for every role is an exercise in futility. You are eventually either going to find that there aren't enough actors from a very specific region or find that the actor you want to cast (because they are a good actor) isn't from that region.

Late, but there are literally billions of people on Earth. I guarantee that there is a fantastic actress the right age, gender, ethnicity, and religion to play Kalama Khan, who also looks just like her. As someone who wants to get into making films, I can say with confidence that the only reason casting directors don't go out to find such obscure actors is because they're lazy and prefer to keep hiring from the same small pool of actors they already know.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#95673: Jan 26th 2019 at 8:48:26 PM

That's such an inherently bizarre idea that I actually got a little bit excited about the possibilities until I saw that it was potholed to Humor Mode.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95674: Jan 26th 2019 at 8:52:34 PM

Well, hey, you can always hire someone to write one for you when you hit it up. Preferably someone who's into LSD.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 26th 2019 at 1:53:01 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95675: Jan 26th 2019 at 9:00:01 PM

Late, but there are literally billions of people on Earth.
There are not billions of good actors though. There is a large amount, sure, but the more specific you get, the smaller that pool becomes. So if you want someone who is same ethnicity, nationality, religion, age, and looks like like a specific character (while also being a good actor), the pool becomes smaller and smaller. Now, I'm sure there are casting directors who only choose from their own pool of actors and that's bad, but there are casting directors who cast wide nets to find the best possible actor for the role...and even they can't find actors who can fit all the descriptions of a character. And if you think there is some endless supply of actors that will always fit the character you are trying to cast, I'm sorry, but that's just unrealistic.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 26th 2019 at 9:00:27 AM


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