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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#95576: Jan 25th 2019 at 2:12:50 PM

The AOU Klaue tracking is even dumber than that. The Avengers then had only a guess that Ultron wanted something in their records. So they lucky-guess that the something is Klaue, even though they have no certainty of that. They head to Klaue on a whim and just happen to find Ultron there.

For all they know Ultron just wanted the address to the sharwarma restaurant. tongue

Shake-Master Since: Dec, 2013
#95577: Jan 25th 2019 at 2:16:55 PM

A shawarma based doomsday weapon would be a horrifying threat to the Avengers.

But in fairness, its slightly more sensible than that. T Hey knew it was something in their records, and something to do with Strucker, considering Ultron made killing him the top priority.

Edited by Shake-Master on Jan 25th 2019 at 2:18:12 AM

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#95578: Jan 25th 2019 at 2:47:14 PM

Sometimes I wonder what wakanda though of Tchalla in civil war: I mean is kingship start with a bang and is first action is to use the suit, going into a man hunt in another country, being unmask, getting into a fight he have no buissness being and....almost geting the wrong guy.

In way Tchalla in civil war remind a little bit of killmonger actually.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#95579: Jan 25th 2019 at 2:52:22 PM

I didn't get the impression Stark knew him before he stole the Vibranium. According to the MCU wiki, Klaue's theft of the Vibranium occurred in 1992. To give some context, Howard Stark's death (and the teenage-looking Stark we saw in Civil War) died in 1991.

My impression was that he knew and kept in touch (as a business acquaintance) with Ulysess Klaue all throughout his weapons dealer career until it ended circa 2010 and thus knew his stomping grounds (i.e some of his hide-outs).

It's also noteworthy Ulysess Klaue was aided in this theft by N'Jobu, who may have taught him how to evade Wakandan intelligence.

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#95580: Jan 25th 2019 at 2:55:55 PM

We need a heist movie involving stolen Vibranium

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#95581: Jan 25th 2019 at 2:58:11 PM

[up][up][up] They thought he was a hero.

Their king just got murdered so to them anything T'Challa would do is completely justified especially towards people they don't care about.

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#95582: Jan 25th 2019 at 3:00:13 PM

Strucker knew surely lots of people, though. Klaue would still be one guess amidst hundreds or thousands of candidates.

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#95583: Jan 25th 2019 at 3:10:42 PM

I can buy Stark being able to find Klaue more easily than Wakanda. Stark's a rock-star super-celebrity arms dealer, the biggest name in weapons technology for years. He probably has the personal cell phone numbers of a lot of people that Insert Random Wakandan Spy Here has never even heard of.

Everyone who is everyone wants to make a legitimate business deal with Tony Stark, with the exception of the people who want to make an illegitimate business deal with Tony Stark.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95584: Jan 25th 2019 at 3:24:14 PM

I think they mentioned in the movie he simply met the man at a convention or whatever, but never made any deals with him because he was, in his own words, "very Ahab".

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 25th 2019 at 8:24:27 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#95585: Jan 25th 2019 at 3:36:16 PM

They got acquainted enough to the point Klaue instantly picked upon "Keep you friends rich and your enemies rich and then find out which is which" phrase from Ultron's mouth as being a Stark quote, at least. I get the sense Stark knew him reasonably well for that to be possible.

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#95586: Jan 25th 2019 at 4:17:24 PM

Wakandan political cartoonists probably waited like a week to be respectful and then started passing around newspaper comics of T'Chaka stepping over the boundary line like, "See, there's nothing to be afraid of in the outside world OH WHOOPS I EXPLODED."

Which is really funny because the events of Black Panther are like a week after T'Chaka's death.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95587: Jan 25th 2019 at 4:53:19 PM

Wakanda is a highly advanced society: they don't have political cartoonists.

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#95588: Jan 25th 2019 at 5:00:20 PM

Everyone in the Golden City loves opening the holonews to read the latest strip of “T’challa and Bast”.

Shake-Master Since: Dec, 2013
#95589: Jan 25th 2019 at 5:40:19 PM

Stark also knew Klaue when he was planning to steal the Vibranium, not while he had it. He also knew Klaue before the Wakandans managed to brand him on his neck. So regardless of how well Stark knew him, the Wakandans still had more recent contact with him than Stark did.

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#95590: Jan 25th 2019 at 6:43:07 PM

I liked Doctor Strange fine. I just think Ant-Man was the better solo film. Not because it provided the best origin (it didn't), just because it was a more complete movie on its own.

Black Panther did enough to explain T'Chaka's death, and the film didn't need to do more. We didn't need to know it was the UN, and that doesn't bear on the plot. In fact, T'Chaka in Civil War takes away from the philosophical conflict of Black Panther. Just based on BP alone, we know that:

  • Per M'Baku, for all T'Challa's skill, even he couldn't protect the king
  • T'Challa blames himself
  • Shuri, T'Chaka and Ramonda don't blame him
  • That there's no lasting conflict over the death besides T'Challa's guilt and his, Shuri and Ramonda's mourning suggests that outside of the recency of it, there's no other closure issues to be had

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#95591: Jan 25th 2019 at 7:53:17 PM

The idea of Wakandan political cartoonists is hilarious.

This place is careless.
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#95592: Jan 25th 2019 at 9:38:52 PM

After T'Challa announced Wakanda was opening their borders to outsiders, Wakandan political cartoonists drew him shaking hands with Tony Stark, Donald Trump, and Oppenheimer. Stark has the words "Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" written across his forehead.

After Thanos hit, they drew T'Challa standing on a blasted-out battlefield, halfway through turning to dust, saying, "Opening our borders is good for Wakanda."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#95593: Jan 25th 2019 at 9:44:01 PM

The sad part of that is two fold:

1) that Wakanda would have been screwed even if they didn't fight, since then Thanos would have gotten the gems and erased half their population anyway;

2) that no one would even be aware of such a thing, so the comic would still seem accurate.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#95594: Jan 25th 2019 at 9:47:53 PM

Wakanda is a highly advanced society: they don't have political cartoonists.

Why wouldn't they? Advanced doesn't mean completely satisfied. If Nakia is any indication, not everyone liked Wakanda's isolationist policy.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95595: Jan 25th 2019 at 10:29:36 PM

Why wouldn't they?
I was making a joke about the fact that political cartoons are generally the worst. They are either as unsubtle as a brick to the face or make no sense whatsoever.

In any case, other news that probably isn't news: there's a fan campaign to get Geraldine Viswanathan as Kamala Khan. Viswanathan is Indian/Swiss and is 23, but looks just young enough to play Kamala. I haven;t seen Blockers, but I heard it was good, so that might be a good casting decision.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 25th 2019 at 10:30:14 AM

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#95596: Jan 26th 2019 at 12:02:49 AM

Tobias: another one would be thanos and is army marching to wakanda saying "let be good guess here!"

Or another with all world power drooling over vibranium while saying "oh yes yes, good contruy, sure..."

the posiblities are endless.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#95597: Jan 26th 2019 at 12:14:00 AM

[up][up]I don't think having a Pakistani American character be played by an Australian actress of Indian and Swiss descent would be a smart idea. Especially in light of Marvel's other blunders with race.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#95598: Jan 26th 2019 at 1:45:08 AM

Don't Pakistan and India share a lot of the same ethnic groups, though?

Shake-Master Since: Dec, 2013
#95599: Jan 26th 2019 at 3:22:30 AM

That statement is one of the few things that can bring together Pakistani and Indian people, cause saying it will cause both to want to murder you.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#95600: Jan 26th 2019 at 3:56:41 AM

Wakanda's political cartoonists probably mock everyone outside of Wakanda as being uncivilised

edit: and Shuri they definitely mock her too

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 26th 2019 at 11:59:13 AM

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