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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#95501: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:39:53 PM

[up]Maybe in the future, like black panther 3 or something, no now.

Also and maybe just me but I would like a wakanda who used magic and know doctor strange, maybe to deep in african magic(for lack of a better word).

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95502: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:40:51 PM

If my information isn't incorrect, Wakanda in the comics is currently a democracy. Maybe they'll go that route too in the second film. The reformation process is only just starting, after all.

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#95503: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:41:58 PM

The fact that, in the MCU, they've destroyed all the flowers that bestow the Black Panther's powers gives rise to some interesting plots, like how T'Challa can have a successor.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95504: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:42:12 PM

[up][up][up] I don’t feel like they have anything to prove.

Plus there are more interesting paths than just taking away their thing.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:42:40 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95505: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:48:40 PM

You know what would be really interesting and really different from the first film? The first film took a lot of influence from Don McGregor's first story arc in Jungle Action, called "The Panther's Rage." If they do a second one, they could do his second arc..."The Panther vs. the Klan."

They could also bring in Malice, who was a separate character from Nakia during the Dan McGregor/Billy Graham run.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 23rd 2019 at 2:10:04 AM

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#95506: Jan 23rd 2019 at 3:57:05 PM

I'm pretty solidly convinced they're going to adapt A Nation Under Our Feet, the arc that turned Wakanda into a constitutional monarchy, but with a dash of Achebe thrown into the mix.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95507: Jan 23rd 2019 at 4:54:10 PM

Oh, man. What if they adapted the first arc of Priest's run, "The Client"? Then we would get Mephisto...and T'Challa punching out Mephisto.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95508: Jan 23rd 2019 at 4:57:34 PM

I feel like demons are Dr.Strange territory

one more day when?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95509: Jan 23rd 2019 at 4:58:15 PM

I don't know, Dr. Strange showing up in a Black Panther movie would actually be kind of cool.

Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#95510: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:07:44 PM

He showed up in a Thor movie. I don't see why it should be impossible for him to be in a Black Panther movie.

Edited by Brandon on Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:08:46 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#95511: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:12:50 PM

I’d prefer Strange stay far away, but that’s my own personal anti-Cumberbatch grudge, which I acknowledge is entirely subjective. His tiny cameo in Thor was tolerable, he was okay in Infinity War, but I want the Black Panther sequel to focus on our incredible ensemble cast, not steal time from M’baku or Okoye to give Strange a cameo.

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#95512: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:25:22 PM

It would be a pretty Strange choice of cameo.

Whether it's in Black Panther or not I would like to see him cameo in more films though. At least those that involve magic in some way.

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#95513: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:26:06 PM

I think some kinda cameo from a character outside the BP cast would be cool, but practically I'm not sure how I would impliment it.

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#95514: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:39:52 PM

I thought Dr. Strange was great in both Ragnarok and Infinity War.

While the movie Black Panther is better than the Dr. Strange film, I don't think it's that much better. The difference in quality between them is mostly by virtue of Black Panther having such a strong villain (and a better supporting cast).

Chadwick Boseman's good, but he's mostly a flat Straight Man throughout his own film. He's got charisma and a few strong scenes, but T'Challa is one of the weakest parts of Black Panther. On the flipside, Benedict Cumberbatch's acting is one of the highlights of Dr. Strange.

Honestly, most of the Dr. Strange hate seems like pure Hype Backlash against his (apparently, I haven't really seen much of it) rabid fanbase. I really didn't get the complaints about him being "overexposed" when he was first cast, he's not in that much stuff.

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#95515: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:52:23 PM

Tumblr's dead, ow, so most of his rabid fans seem to have disbanded for now, to the general joy of the nation.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#95516: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:54:46 PM

I think BP is much MUCH better all around and I'm much more sold on Chadwick as T'Challa than Benedict as Strange (then again, with that movie's writing quality, not sure if any actor could do much for it), but ok. Can't win 'em all I guess. I'll give you that Strange was cool in IW at least.

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#95517: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:55:04 PM

Tumblr still lives and breaths and so do the badly behaved fans

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Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:55:32 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95518: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:58:49 PM

Well IW had better writing than Strange so of course he was better there.

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#95519: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:59:38 PM

My main issue with the Doctor Strange movie is I felt his origin story should have taken place BEFORE the attack in New York, or maybe while the events of the first Iron Man were happening.

I dunno, Strange seems too... held together and oblivious to the rest of the world, for a guy that lives in a city where aliens attacked.

That aside, the movie overall is fine.

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#95520: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:01:22 PM

Strange was enough of an arrogant self-absorbed asshole that I can believe he'd behave that way after an alien invasion.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#95521: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:27:21 PM

While the movie Black Panther is better than the Dr. Strange film, I don't think it's that much better. The difference in quality between them is mostly by virtue of Black Panther having such a strong villain (and a better supporting cast).

I strongly disagree. The story in Strange was a pretty rote copy of Iron Man, none of the characters were fleshed out besides Strange, the sets and costuming were derivative at best and cultural appropriation at worst, the humor fell flat, and the action choreography was poor. The Dormammu sequence was the only interesting bit, and even that wasn’t set up very well. And it’s not just that the supporting cast in Black Panther were better, it’s that every character in Black Panther is well written as a human being with a life and a perspective outside of T’challa.

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#95522: Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:28:18 PM

And the color grading was horrid. Everything in Strange was a dull brown.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#95523: Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:12:22 PM

I agree with all of willow’s analysis.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95524: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:43:15 PM

Doctor Strange is one of my least favorite MCU films, while Black Panther is one of my favorite ones. I think that says enough.

I think the movies stand on opposite sides as far as their strengths go as well. Doctor Strange uses spectacle as a prop to bolster its threadbare script and characterization, whereas Black Panther has such a rich cast that the action sequences where less of that is happening are actually among its weaker moments. Neither are the most original film, but whereas Dr. Strange apes off of the first Iron Man, Black Panther complements the fresher and recent-enough to be a coincidence Thor Ragnarok.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:49:01 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95525: Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:45:52 PM

Mephisto appearing in a BP world is a good way of showing connected everything is.

What better way of showing off the magical side by having a non-magical character randomly encounter them?

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