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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95476: Jan 23rd 2019 at 10:52:59 AM

It also turned Nakia good, so she’s out.

Black Panther’s next enemy is almost certainly going to be Achebe, though they’ll have to tread very carefully to avoid Unfortunate Implications if they adapt his most famous plot lines.

I’d also love to see him fight Moses Magnum.

I’m generally not interested in Panther having European or American big bads (even Magnum I imagine being reinterpreted to come from Wakanda, which some adaptations have done), but if we have to have one Dr. Doom is literally my sole exception. Because it’s Doom, and he rocks.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95477: Jan 23rd 2019 at 10:58:59 AM

Frankly, now that Wakanda has revealed itself, having at least European Antagonists would be next logical step. There is no way that there won't be interested parties turning up at their door step.

But I am happy with whatever direction they feel comfortable to take.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95478: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:00:44 AM

Wait, wasn't Doomwar considered one of the worst Black Panther stories ever put to paper?

Anyway, I was gonna suggest the White Wolf, but then I remembered they composited him up with Killmonger, so forget that.

. . .I think Ryan Coogler might've put a bit too much of the Black Panther mythos into the movie, 'cause other than that dude with Druid-esque powers from the more recent comics, I can't really think of any notable villains.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95479: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:05:02 AM

If they wanted to, they could also bring in Ezekiel Stane. I know he started out as a Iron Man villain, but lately, he's been a Black Panther villain, funding a rebellion within Wakanda. And it would be interesting to bring in a connection to Iron Man's first film, too.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#95480: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:07:25 AM

Yeah Doomwar was terrible imo. Most of Reginald Hundlin's run was not that good imo actually. Partly because he just, changed character's personalities/motivations out of nowhere in order to fit his story. Doom was one of the most egregious examples of this.

I think that a non-Wakandan baddie would actually be a good way to go, both as a contrast to Killmonger and as fallout from T'Challa's decision at the end of the first movie.

I still think that Moses Magnum would be a good choice.

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#95481: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:07:27 AM

If Doctor Doom shows up, it'll provide a foot in the door for the Fantastic Four to finally make an MCU appearance. He's also a recurring Spider-Man villain, so you have all sorts of opportunities for crossovers.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 23rd 2019 at 2:07:49 PM

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#95482: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:13:27 AM

He's also tangled with Iron Man, Cap, X-Men, he's got connections to Loki, etc.

He's basically a "Marvel Universe villain" these days as opposed to just a Fantastic Four one. Which makes him a great choice to be the new recurring "Big Bad" of the MCU moving forward imo.

Plus he's essentially Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Lex Luthor all rolled into one, which is just awesome.

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#95483: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:15:17 AM

He's kind of small potatoes compared to Thanos, though, so I can't see him as a Greater-Scope Villain, although he might well be a recurring Big Bad. I suppose it depends on whether Feige and company want to keep up the epic scale conflicts, like the Infinity Gauntlet, the Kree-Skrull war, Galactus, etc.; or dial it down a bit for Phase 4 and onward.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95484: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:17:03 AM

Okay...cursory glance at Comic book lore…

I guess they have the pick between Achebe and, provided that they have the rights finally freed from legal Limbo, Namor.

They could also use Zemo again. Or they go for Malice, but either find a different reason for the switch in character of Nakia, or use the name for another character. They could embed the idea in a skrull storyline, too….

There is also still a chance the Man-Ape will stage some sort of coup. I mean, they are frenemies at best, right?

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:17:45 AM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#95485: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:18:29 AM

They just did a storyline in the comics not too long ago where he gained godlike powers and rewrote all of reality to make himself essentially god of the MU.

His ambitions are as enormous as his ego.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95486: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:19:41 AM

Doesn't feel like what the movie version of M-Baku would do. He's a traditionalist, he might not like T'Challa, but he recognizes he kept the throne fair and square according to the traditions.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95487: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:20:28 AM

True...but he might fight T'Challa for other reasons.

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#95488: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:24:59 AM

There was a great Spider-Man oneshot some years back (I want to say this was Straczynski's run but I don't recall) where Spidey had to protect Doom from assassination attempts in an airport.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#95489: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:26:30 AM

Secret War involved T’Challa fighting God Doom with the Infinity Gauntlet.

Curious if they could somehow work that in one day.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95490: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:36:44 AM

Also...how about Kraven the Hunter? I mean, yeah, I know that people really want to see Kraven's last Hunt at one point but, well, if Marvel/Sony ever does this storyline, they certainly won't do it with teenaged Peter Parker. That is just a little bit too disturbing (though I can see Sony doing an animated version of it). But they could introduce Kraven in a Black Panther movie now.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95491: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:44:22 AM

He had a fight with T'Challa right at the start of the Priest run that I remember being pretty dope.

That said, I don't really want Kraven's Last Hunt to be put to film. Not that I dislike it, hell, I have it in my bookshelf, but it's way too dark for this iteration of Spider-Man, and I'd rather they keep him more lighthearted.

Suicide, mortality and facing the regrets of one's life while at its end aren't exactly what I would call family-friendly themes.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95492: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:45:26 AM

Hey we all gotta learn about that shit sometimes. tongue

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#95493: Jan 23rd 2019 at 11:47:31 AM

> Suicide, mortality and facing the regrets of one's life while at its end aren't exactly what I would call family-friendly themes.

Drop the themes of Suicide,and loosely refer to the other two and you've got a film adaptation

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#95494: Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:18:34 PM

Wait, wasn't Doomwar considered one of the worst Black Panther stories ever put to paper?

Yes. And this post explains why.

Yeah Doomwar was terrible imo. Most of Reginald Hundlin's run was not that good imo actually.

Doomwar was written by Jonathan Maberry not Reginald Hudlin.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#95495: Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:20:40 PM

Regardless, Hudlin's run being 'not that good' is the understatement of the century. Hudlin's run was outright terrible.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 23rd 2019 at 9:20:56 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95496: Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:23:36 PM

And now he's headlining the new Milestone line.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95497: Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:52:30 PM

Heading the line is fine. Writing all of the line isn't. I hope he gets Christopher Priest (who is killing it on Deathstroke) to write some of it.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#95498: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:04:35 PM

While that panel of the comic is quite awfull, the idea of Wakanda making even without vibranium look intersting and have the idea that a country can be great by the effort of is people, not just because they have some resource it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95499: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:13:58 PM

At this point that’s not really necessary.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:15:17 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#95500: Jan 23rd 2019 at 1:39:50 PM

I think it would be interesting if the next Black Panther film showed that there was some resistance in Wakanda over T'challa's decision to open up its borders. Depending on how Avengers: Endgame turns out, I can imagine there'd be some Wakandans feeling resentful over how a bunch of foreigners basically brought an alien invasion to their doorstep and would probably blame T'challa over it. I think it'd be an interesting topic to explore for a sequel.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 23rd 2019 at 4:40:11 AM


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