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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#95351: Jan 20th 2019 at 11:10:58 PM

[up][up]Ultimate Tony didn't give up the alcohol because he was essentially self medicating himself with it. He used it to dull the chronic pain of the bizarre condition he was born with.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95352: Jan 20th 2019 at 11:57:29 PM

[up] Oh dear that is not a good idea.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#95353: Jan 20th 2019 at 11:58:55 PM

[up]Is tony stark, you never mix good ideas with him.

But alchol and tony? that is perfect.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#95354: Jan 21st 2019 at 12:20:42 AM

And I just found out that that whole storyline was retconned. Nevermind.

Ultimate Tony is just a regular alcoholic who never gave up the habit.

Disgusted, but not surprised
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#95355: Jan 21st 2019 at 2:15:53 AM

••• Some Endgame action figures are in the wild and while they mostly don't show anything we haven't seen before:

Tessa Thompson was seen with Chris Hemsworth in Atlanta during the filming of reshoots for Endgame, so probably.

Hopefully Korg shows up as well.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95356: Jan 21st 2019 at 4:00:48 AM

[up]"Hey, min. We're gonna go kick the butt of that big purple guy over there, wanna come?"

Miek walks into the scene, acting adorably.

alliterator: I think "Brunnhilde" and "Bryhild" are just different ways to romanize the same Nordic name, but quote me on that.

Until proven wrong, I'm sticking with the latter, 'cause it takes slightly less longer to type.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 21st 2019 at 9:03:35 AM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#95357: Jan 21st 2019 at 4:07:17 AM

I hope that they show up. The Hero's are going to need all the help that they can get at this point.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#95358: Jan 21st 2019 at 4:14:14 AM

Eh, maybe. I maintain that I will be disappointed if the solution to the invincible Thanos beating up all the heroes is to throw more heroes at him.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#95359: Jan 21st 2019 at 4:59:17 AM

Thanos clearly isn't invincible, though. Just really, really hard to stop. The Titan team almost got the Gauntlet off him even with four stones, and Tony actually managed to make him bleed. Hard to say without seeing Endgame, obviously, but there seems to be a pretty evident undercurrent through Infinity War that the Avengers failed because they weren't united, and that kept them from not only mustering up their full power, but also from creating a solid, coordinated plan to keep all the Stones from Thanos (for example, if Civil War hadn't happened, Wanda wouldn't be on the run, which means locating Vision would have been easier).

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95360: Jan 21st 2019 at 5:41:32 AM

I agree that Thanos being defeated by the Avengers bum-rushing would be really blue-balling, but personally, I think the idea the movie sells is that the Avengers lost because they were unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices.

Had they killed Vision at the beginning of the movie, Thanos would have no way to retrive the Mind Stone, same if Strange had agreed to destroy the Time Stone.

Which, before anyone asks, is likely to be possible for them, considering his reaction: Strange reacts to the suggestion with outrage and shock, not a dismissive "That ain't possible, bub", which means the option was feasible through sorce-excuse me, Mystic Arts.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#95361: Jan 21st 2019 at 5:52:38 AM

Yeah Thanos wasn't invincible. They basically had him beaten on Titan and only failed because Quill couldn't control his temper. And Thor could have killed him with Stormbreaker if he hadn't wasted time grandstanding and just finished the job quickly. Heck Dr. Strange alone was able to give him a pretty good fight even.

And yeah, the idea seemed to be that The heroes lost because they weren't willing to sacrifice their friends/loved ones, or innocent people. Or by the time that they were, it was too late and Thanos then had a way to counter it.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#95362: Jan 21st 2019 at 5:56:24 AM

Well, if the plot of Endgame involves retconning some of those actions so that the Avengers make the correct choices this time, and that leads to them being able to team up and defeat Thanos, I'll be satisfied, because it fits the theme.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95363: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:10:54 AM

Some interesting thoughts about death in the MCU and Comic book in general.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95364: Jan 21st 2019 at 6:24:14 AM

Other than the fact I'm offended by the little notification the says Bird Box is a bad film, I think he makes good point.

I'm still iffy on the whole deal, though, and it'll take a lot of good writing to change my opinion on this.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#95365: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:35:00 AM

Most of the people that nearly had him beaten on Titan are space dust right now, though. We're basically coming at him with half of the guys that were effortlessly curbstomped by him in Wakanda.

Outside of Thor, the only person still in play who has even so much as made Thanos try is Tony, and he just got a drop of blood for his efforts.

I think that's the kicker. Following the theme from Civil War, the Avengers lost because they were divided. To defeat Thanos, the Avengers need to come together and stand as one. Which they can't do, because half of them were turned to dust.

The assumption, I believe, is that the Avengers will defeat Thanos and then undust the universe. I think the opposite might be true. The Avengers have to undust the universe and then defeat Thanos, because they need everyone to stand together on this including all those people that Thanos unmade.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 21st 2019 at 8:37:53 AM

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Lost in Space
#95366: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:39:46 AM

[up] I agree, although I am still holding out hope that Thanos will turn out to regret his choices so much that he doesn't put up a significant fight, and we'll have some other ultimate villain.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#95367: Jan 21st 2019 at 7:55:49 AM

TBH, I don't want Thanos to get any humanizing moments like that. He crossed too many lines. We shouldn't feel bad about seeing him getting an ass kicking.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#95368: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:12:03 AM

Yeah, I would prefer that Thanos is insisting that he is still right despite all evidence to the contrary. Maybe he claims Earth is a paradise now (in an obvious parallel to Gamora's planet) even after we spent a chunk of the movie seeing that it's now a hellhole.

He's the Mad Titan. He is insane and delusional, and his biggest delusion was convincing himself that there was ever any value in his plan at all. I don't see that changing with minor things like facts.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#95369: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:13:44 AM

Oh everyone is absolutely going to come back before they fight Thanos. No way they have all of these actors in one spot and not have them all do one giant fight.

This song needs more love.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95370: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:21:43 AM

Did they ever have a shooting day on which really EVERYONE was participating?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#95371: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:26:00 AM

With greenscreen and CG, I doubt they'd need that kind of restriction.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#95372: Jan 21st 2019 at 8:59:25 AM

Tony didn't really make Thanos try, though. He said Nebula almost killed him on her own, though.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95373: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:10:37 AM

@Discar: What about the only person he ever truly loved guilt-tripping him from the afterlife?

Actually, don't answer, I hate Spirographs.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 21st 2019 at 2:10:55 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#95374: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:35:39 AM

[up][up]

And from what we know of their relationship, that's likely the nicest thing they've ever said about Nebula.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#95375: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:39:47 AM

Nebula attempted to assassinate Thanos before he had acquired any of the Infinity Stones. She "almost succeeded", according to him, but since it happened offscreen, we have no way to judge the attempt in comparison to the other battles we see during the film.

As someone noted earlier, Thanos is not invulnerable in the sense that no physical attack can injure him. However, he's incredibly strong even without the Stones, enough to beat up Hulk. At that power level he's already god tier; only Thor of all the characters we currently know could even stand a chance against him, and that only with Stormbreaker.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 21st 2019 at 12:40:08 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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