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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I don't know shit about Moon Girl, but I'll agree with the complaints about the oversaturation os super-geniuses.
It's uniqueness decay, through and through, and the tech level has gotten so big there's virtually no difference between them, it's all just random gadgets, all the time.
I wish they'd specialize a bit, you know? Like make Reed the super physics guy, Tony the super engineer, Peter the super chemist, so on.
If everyone is a science genius, the no one is!! Comic writers don't even know what an actual genious is like in the first place!
@Sharknado: Not gonna lie, that was a dick move.
Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 17th 2019 at 6:37:43 AM
Okay, so I was really confused by people mentioning that Moon Girl is black and a genius, and then I looked up Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, apparently for the first time in my life.
This is Moon Girl. She is a black Inhuman child prodigy genius who lives in the modern day.
Honestly, I was kind of wanting to see the adventures of Moon Girl, prehistoric ape-girl, and her partner Devil Dinosaur. Maybe she can team up with the present Moon Girl and have adventures. I was totally ready to believe that Marvel had made a Homo habilis into the smartest person on Earth, too.
Now I'm wondering, is there a thing in the comics where all of these child prodigies form a group?
Like a Junior Illuminati?
This song needs more love.Moon Girl is; yet another 'smartest one', except younger than usual, a new partner for Devil Dinosaur and a reluctant new-Inhuman (her power was body-swapping with Devil but a fair chunk of her series was pre-terrigenesis)
I don't think there's been a full on Illuminati Jr but there were some undertones with the Champions (Viv was living computer, Cho is one of the super-smart, Kamala is kind of normal-smart, Nova very conspicuously wasn't).
Edited by HalfFaust on Jan 17th 2019 at 1:49:46 AM
It's kind of one of those 'don't look at it too hard' things, as the adults initially disproving of them but eventually coming round and letting them keep operating is a plot point for basically every young hero. Maybe makes sense for the Young Avengers (16-18, formed on their own and were clearly going to keep operating with or without approval) but once you get younger and/or a proper Avengers team it is pretty dubious, yes. I suppose something like Peter in the MCU maybe has the excuse of 'there aren't that many powered people' but in the comics it gets weird.
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The Avengers usually don't allow heroes younger than a certain age. Rage was kicked out because even though he looked eighteen, he was actually thirteen (long story). Kamala, Miles, and Sam Alexander were all made Avengers pretty much because it was a team where the older generation was teaching the younger generation.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 17th 2019 at 1:54:11 AM
Yeah, the teen hero stuff is more the X-Men's area of expertise, by necessity, as they have to prepare mutants from a very young age on how to survive in a world that hates them.
(Which make's Wolverine's reasoning to hate Cyclops during and after Schism totally nonsensical, since the X-Men had children fighting pretty much from Day 1)
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianSpider-Man in the current MCU practically counts as a child soldier that Tony recruited to fight his enemies. Doesn't exactly make him look good. The How It Should Have Ended for Homecoming points this out rather bluntly. Peter was 14 in Civil War and 15 when Tony offered him a position in the Avengers. That's kind of dark even for him.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 17th 2019 at 5:06:56 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Eh, I mean Pete was already active before, it's not that Tony pushed him into becoming a superhero.
But seriously, there was really no in-story reason whatsoever for Tony to recruit him. It was just to introduce Spidey into the MCU.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianEdited by alliterator on Jan 17th 2019 at 2:20:27 AM
Tony also spends a sizeable chunk of Civil War remiding Pete he's supposed to stay in the sidelines webbing people from a distance, but he insists on fighting in the thick of it.
All things considered, it was a pretty low-risk situation compared to the standards of "a bunch of superhumans duking it out", as no one seemed to be really gunning for lethality except Vision and Wanda on occasion.
Edited by Gaon on Jan 17th 2019 at 3:27:01 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Homecoming cast an Author's Saving Throw or two at that problem. Homecoming has Stark strongly assert that he was only comfortable bringing Peter because he knew Cap wouldn't hurt the kid, while also rejecting the idea of Peter fighting actual supervillains. It makes Peter's situation into less of a sidekick role and more like an internship.
There's even a protocol in Peter's suit literally called the "Training Wheels Protocol", with the implication that Peter's supposed to take a few years to learn the ins and outs before he's actually ready to throw down in the big leagues.
Infinity War, however, was kinda wishy-washy on it. Which is to be expected, given that it was written and directed by the same team that created the problem in Civil War. In that movie, Stark tries to keep Peter from going into space with him - indeed, Peter only gets the fancy new suit so Stark can blow the parachute and get him back to Earth. But Stark doesn't seem to have any problem with ordering him to fight the deadly murder-aliens in New York, which is what led to Peter being in that position in the first place.
And you can't excuse that one by saying Stark knew the Children of Thanos wouldn't hurt the kid.
So the "child soldiers" thing is Depending on the Writer, marking possibly the MCU's first instance of two creative teams having violently different interpretations of a plot point and squaring off in-canon, as they do so frequently in the comics.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 17th 2019 at 4:38:40 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It was a bad idea on Stark’s part, even if he didn’t expect it to turn into a big fight. He didn’t just take a 15-year-old into a fight against Cap, he took a 15-year old into a fight against someone who was (as far as Tony knew) a brainwashed super-assassin.
It’s not his fault Peter got caught up in Infinity War - Tony deliberately tried to keep him out of the fight, and Peter deliberately stayed in it.
But what really gets me is Nick Fury, in the Far From Home trailers, forcibly recruiting a minor to do SHIELD’s job. Fury has no business telling Peter to do anything at all, especially not something dangerous. He’s a schoolkid for goodness’ sakes! Fury’s deliberately sending a child into combat, as an (unofficial) agent of a quasi-military/spec-ops organization! That’s against freakin’ international law!
Edited by Galadriel on Jan 17th 2019 at 6:43:44 AM

Well, I don't care either way. As I said earlier, I don't care much for legacy characters, and I don't see what Ironman light can bring to the table. But if Marvel has a good idea to introduce her, well, I certainly won't complain. But if I could pick, I would go for characters with different backgrounds and different abilities.
Obligatory pointing towards Silverclaw here.
And to add to the list: I would like to see Amadeus Cho, but not as Hulk, because I like the notion of a hero who is heroic through smarts alone. Naturally you would have to pair him up with another character or two in order to get the necessary action.
Kamala Kahn down the line.
And I still want my Silver Surfer origin movie.
So...yeah, Riri isn't really on top of my "want" list. Sorry.