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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95151: Jan 17th 2019 at 11:26:40 AM

Riri's someone I've been clamoring for a while now, though I am somewhat concerned with her being the chosen successor of Iron Man with Peter as his unofficial protege.

So how about this instead: after Tony kicks the bucket, Pepper ends up creating some manner of program to get stuff like child prodigies into internships at Stark Industries, something among those lines, she ends up doing something really cool like reverse-engineering the Arc Reactor or some shit, and Pepper takes her under her wing so the kid can make good use of her talents.

This would have the dual benefit of sidestepping the question of why Tony would choose this random kid out of nowhere to by his successor, and would allow Pepper to have a more active role in the MCU.

I mean c'mon, everyone loves Pepper! Even the slash writers love Pepper! I want Pepper to show up in more roles, and as a more active participant. She's the CEO of Stark Industries, don't forget, would be nice if she had a role in the story that reflects that.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 17th 2019 at 5:01:45 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#95152: Jan 17th 2019 at 11:37:46 AM

Also, I have the feeling Marvel will do the same weird thing of spiderman and putting a part of a previous Iron man movie and saying "that girl you see for a couple of second, that is ruri!".

Granted personality wise she need something to be diferent, I dont think a cocky, near prvilage like tony would work with her so for people who know the chararter, what is her personality?.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#95153: Jan 17th 2019 at 11:51:48 AM

[up][up] I like this idea a lot.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95154: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:06:32 PM

[up][up]Well, to talk about Riri's personality would imply she had one: the character was never all that well-written at first, and I personally like the concept behind her and not much the execution.

That said, the more recent comics seem to have Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, but I don't read those, so I'm sure someone else can describe her better.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 17th 2019 at 5:06:55 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95155: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:41:16 PM

Yeah Riri in the comics had a lot of issues with her execution that the character seemed almost farcical.

The whole “I want to be opressed” bit in grade school was cringe-worthy.

Thankfully they will remove that nonsense if she gets adapted.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 17th 2019 at 12:41:59 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95156: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:42:43 PM

Riri is ok. But please don't introduce Moon Girl.

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#95157: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:51:00 PM

I've always thought it'd be neat if a hypothetical Riri movie had her big brother mentor figure being Rhodey, who's also been criminally underused in the MCU up to this point.

If you want to be topical (and you definitely do) you could have Riri and Rhodey occasionally debating their social status in the world and the choices they made (i.e Rhodey became a literal Iron Patriot working for the US army, a figurehead of the establishment by some definitions).

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95158: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:55:03 PM

Riri is ok. But please don't introduce Moon Girl.
Why not? Moon Girl (and Devil Dinosaur) is awesome! And an animated series is already in the works.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95159: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:56:42 PM

Right she’s getting a cartoon.

Wonder when that’s coming out.

Hopefully it’s get because Marvel’s cartoons for the last couple of years have been mostly underwhelming.

They can’t really stack to DC’s shit....... TTGO aside of course.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95160: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:56:48 PM

I think she is pretty obnoxious. And her being the supposedly smartest person in the Marvel Universe is pretty much an Informed Ability most of the time. It also wasn't really necessary, in my opinion. I don't know, other than MCU Shuri, it just never felt very natural to me.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95161: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:02:25 PM

And her being the supposedly smartest person in the Marvel Universe is pretty much an Informed Ability most of the time.
Have you been reading her book? She invents all sorts of things that help her out, so her genius isn't an Informed Ability at all. I mean, at one point, she invented a spaceship so she could find an alien girl who was sending out a distress signal. (It turned out to be a sentient moon, but still.)

Edited by alliterator on Jan 17th 2019 at 1:03:10 AM

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#95162: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:03:43 PM

I don't mind Moon Girl but I only recognize one version of Devil Dinosaur as legit.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95163: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:05:21 PM

She is a Genius alright. I just don't see how she is supposed to be smarter than the likes of Doom or Richards and why it needs to be pointed out at every corner.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95164: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:08:51 PM

Because she's a nine-year-old black girl and being a nine-year-old black girl who is also the Smartest Person in the World is a pretty damn high achievement? I mean, Reed and Doom both went to college first and studied for years to become geniuses, but Lunella is a genius nine-year-old. Having said that, she's also nine years old, so she makes plenty of mistakes, as well. She isn't perfect.

(And if you think Reed is the smartest person in the world, his daughter has already been shown to be smarter than him.)

Edited by alliterator on Jan 17th 2019 at 1:10:12 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95165: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:10:52 PM

Escalation! tongue

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#95166: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:14:43 PM

Honestly I'm kind of tired of every super-genius in Marvel. They constantly tussle about who's the smartest but all they do is come up with some random gadgets (or AI, or on rare occasion a cure or serum or something) that are pretty inconsistent because superheroes are by necessity on the soft end of sci-fi. Like, in reality building a suit of power armour would be incredibly impressive but there's like twenty different iron people at this point. Moon Girl gets some points for being a child prodigy who still feels childish I guess.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95167: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:19:56 PM

Most iron people got their armor from Stark one way or the other.

His craftsmanship is so perfect pretty much anyone who wants to build their own armor uses his designs or rips him off in whatever manner.

Even Riri was only able to build her own suit by following his designs like everyone else........ and stealing supplies from M.I.T. tongue

The armors started with Tony, he made it possible.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 17th 2019 at 1:21:51 AM

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#95168: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:21:32 PM
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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95169: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:24:38 PM

let's not jump to the conclusions because they dont like a character

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#95170: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:26:10 PM

Changing Vulture’s backstory but otherwise keeping him identifiably the same isn’t at all the same as changing Mysterio to be a hero.

Surely Mysterio's been a hero at some point in the comics? Any character who's been around long enough eventually takes a turn playing for the opposite team.

As for the "Smartest Person In The World" thing, it just reeks of "my fave character is better and more special than yours!" shilling, regardless of who it's applied to. Same goes for Fastest/Strongest/Etc. In The World stuff, especially since, thanks to Serial Escalation, we're inevitably going to see them pitted against someone Smarter/Stronger/Faster than them anyway.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#95171: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:26:30 PM

Yeah, seriously, that was totally uncalled for.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95172: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:30:18 PM

I really like that bit where Tony really did made the armors possible to build.

It lends special credence that he truly is a genius in this field & cements him as the inventor. Pretty much anyone who makes their own version of the invention must pay tribute or homage to him in some way like in real life.

Its unlike when Reed Richards claims he discovered or understood Pym Partciles better than Pym himself. Pym Particles are Pym's thing, let him keep it.

[up][up] So one day we are gonna see a super-intelligent 3 year-old? tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 17th 2019 at 1:30:58 AM

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#95173: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:30:55 PM

I know there was once an attempt to get a solo War Machine film off the ground that focus on Rhodey going on a mission that makes him a wanted fugitive. I think that'd be pretty interesting to explore, especially given how much he tends to follow the book in previous films. Of course, it might be seen as derivative of how the Captain America films made him a fugitive, but I think you could go a different way with Rhodey.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#95174: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:31:30 PM

Man, that's one of those comics I would have enjoyed the hell out of when I was that age, but now I'm an adult who volunteers with grade school kids and it's like "Who is letting a child fight dangerous criminals and hang out with a dinosaur? Where is the adult supervision?"

Edited by Pseudopartition on Jan 17th 2019 at 3:31:44 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#95175: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:32:25 PM

> So one day we are gonna see a super-intelligent 3 year-old

ever seen the movie baby geniuses? (I think thats what they called)

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