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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#95026: Jan 16th 2019 at 4:24:42 PM

"transgender" is not a gender. Trans men are men who were born with female bodies, and trans women are women who were born with male bodies. If you're talking about people that are neither male nor female, that's not "transgender", that's varying shades of non-binary. If you're talking about people that are comfortable as either male or female, that's gender-fluid.

Fun fact: Loki is gender-fluid. At least in the comics and mythology.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 16th 2019 at 5:26:26 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95028: Jan 16th 2019 at 4:35:08 PM

I'll have to agree with Swanpride here: if a transwoman actress decides to audition to a role of a male, I don't really see the issue. If she's comfortable with it, the discussion ends there, really. It's her decision, and it's not like anyone can force her to take the role.

Or at least, I sincerely hope that's not the case.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#95029: Jan 16th 2019 at 4:39:56 PM

I'd say the only clear-cut issue is if we have a cisgender actor playing a character who was assigned their gender at birth but identifies as the other one. Openly trans actors are rare enough that if a trans actor is playing the gender they were assigned as at birth then it's still a form of behind-the-scenes trans visibility during a time when there isn't much to begin with.

Re: nonbinary, most of the people I've seen who identify that way consider themselves as part of the trans umbrella, aside from rare cases of openly intersex individuals.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:41:13 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95030: Jan 16th 2019 at 4:53:17 PM

Fun fact: Loki is gender-fluid. At least in the comics and mythology.
I would love it if they cast two actors for (young) Loki in the Disney+ Loki show — one male and one female and in some scenes it would be one actor and in another scenes it would be another. I know the MCU Loki hasn't really been shown to be a shapeshifter like the comics one, but it would be really cool seeing that on screen.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95031: Jan 16th 2019 at 4:59:18 PM

gender AND species fluid. Loki does what he wants.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95032: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:17:59 PM

So, that begs the question: should or shouldn't he be impregnated as a hare?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95033: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:26:34 PM

You know, it is a LITTLE bit disturbing how obsessed the fandom is with this particular part of Norse mythology.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#95034: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:27:22 PM

I swear, the movies are so weird on whether Loki can do stuff like shapeshifting or not. Like, there's that scene where he messes with Thor in the second movie, but while he's clearly casting illusions the characters talk like he's actually transfiguring.

They were so indecisive about Asgardian magic in general.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#95035: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:40:54 PM

So… wait, Far from Home takes place before Infinity War, right?

Edited by Lyendith on Jan 16th 2019 at 2:41:01 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95036: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:41:17 PM

[up]x3 Well, it's the kind of thing that sticks with you, ya know?

Like when I found out the god of food in Japanese myth can pull feasts out of his arse, or how the biggest goddess in Hawaii likes do to the nasty with pigs.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 16th 2019 at 10:41:31 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#95037: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:44:24 PM

Which Gods?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95038: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:47:32 PM

The food one I forgot the name, but the hawaiian one is called Pele.

And for the Brazilian tropers, yes, it's pronounced exactly like that, too.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#95039: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:55:52 PM

They ought to clarify in-canon that Loki gave birth to Sleipnir and Fenrir. [lol]

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#95040: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:01:50 PM

Ragnarok referenced some of Loki's weirder powers, like the time he turned Thor into a frog. And the story about how Thor picked up a snake that turned out to be Loki would make much more sense with shapeshifting than if he had used an illusion.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#95041: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:14:59 PM

So… wait, Far from Home takes place before Infinity War, right?

No idea. I think it is, but there's been no official word one way or another.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 16th 2019 at 8:15:14 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#95042: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:26:47 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that it might have a framing device set after Endgame, with the bulk of the movie being set before it? I think that's a route they could take.

Oh God! Natural light!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#95043: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:30:11 PM

I think it's after Endgame. No reason for it not to be.

Edited by LordVatek on Jan 16th 2019 at 10:31:47 AM

This song needs more love.
Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#95044: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:36:01 PM

Far From Home is all but outright confirmed to take place after Infinity War, and that Endgame involves the surviving heroes hitting some sort of Reset Button. The big mystery is what that Reset Button is and what the exact effects of it are - some people will die and/or stay dead, surely, but who? (The popular theory at the moment is that Iron Man and some other "old guard" characters will get killed off so that newcomers like Spidey and Captain Marvel can become the new main heroes.)

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:39:50 AM

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#95046: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:14:26 PM

Hopefully some of the "dusted" characters'll keep being dead, I don't want that scene to end up being cheap drama thanks to a Cosmic Retcon or whatever.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#95047: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:21:26 PM

I'm fine with all the Snapped characters coming back. Endgame definitely seems like Earn Your Happy Ending: The Movie.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95048: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:22:50 PM

Hopefully some of the "dusted" characters'll keep being dead
Nope, all of the dusted characters are coming back (if you are going to reverse the death of half the universe, why leave out one or two people?). The only question is whether or not those killed prior to dusting are coming back, too.

I don't want that scene to end up being cheap drama thanks to a Cosmic Retcon or whatever.
The dusting scene was always cheap melodrama, since those who know the comics know it was going to be reversed. I mean, it's still well-acted and well-directed, so it's good...cheap melodrama. But there was never any chance that the Snap wasn't going to be reversed.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 16th 2019 at 8:24:43 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95049: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:25:52 PM

And how many people will have to die to reverse the dusting.

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#95050: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:26:11 PM

Dusted characters staying dead could work, like

Falcon/Wanda/whovever: I'm back, everyo - [T Hanos punts them, breaking every bone in their body and killing them instantly]

This place is careless.

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