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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94951: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:34:49 AM

Honestly, I think it is impossible to gauge Captain Marvel, especially after the success of Venom and Aquaman. And remember, nobody expected Black Panther to do THAT well either.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#94952: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:51:53 AM

Yes, but there’s never been a major action movie set in Africa with a mostly-black cast before.

There have been action movies with female leads before. And they’ve bern successful - based on precedents like Wonder Woman and (more distantly) the Hunger Games movies, I’d say around $400 mil is a reasonable expectation for Captain Marvel. It’s not groundbreaking to the degree that BP was.

Edited by Galadriel on Jan 16th 2019 at 8:55:05 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94953: Jan 16th 2019 at 5:56:12 AM

I think Black Panther did better than Infinity War domestically, but don't quote me on that.

I am, however, certain that it more or less bombed in China and a few other foreign markets.

Which makes sense: good or bad, Black Panther relies very heavily on race relations to sell its story, so on societies that are more racially homogeneous, or at least pretend to be, I imagine at least some of the impact is lost.

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#94954: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:01:37 AM

Black Panther's worldwide box office take was over 1.3 billion USD (billion = thousand million for you weirdos), with a domestic take of 700 million. For Captain Marvel to beat that would be a miracle and I don't see it happening. I can't imagine it being a failure, though, and the MCU is like a license to print money right now. They've got so much goodwill with fans that people will go on the brand alone. All they have to do is make the movie not suck and they're in good shape.

There might be an anti-SJW backlash that reduces attendance, but I can't imagine the effect will be that large.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#94955: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:06:30 AM

[up][up]Yes, BP made $700 mil domestic to IW’s $678 mil.

It made over $100 mil in China, so it certainly didn’t “bomb” there, but it did make less than a lot of other action movies do in China.

It made $1.3 billion globally in total - more than any other MCU solo movie. (Fourth-highest of any MCU movie, after the three Avengers films.)

Edited by Galadriel on Jan 16th 2019 at 9:10:49 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94956: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:13:21 AM

Okay, "bombed" was a strong word, but regardless, I personally don't really see Marvel beating Panther either.

I mean, if it was released before Wonder Woman it might've, but now some of the novelty, for good or ill, seems to have wore off.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94957: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:19:18 AM

Black Panther was a movie which played especially in the domestic and African market. It did well in the other markets too, but those are the markets which pushed it up. Captain Marvel will play to all markets equally because, well, there are females and MCU fans everywhere. The question is how well it will play overall.

Yes, we had Wonder Woman, but, well, I actually think that Wonder Woman got hold back by its association with the DCEU. Captain Marvel on the other hand will get a push by the MCU, especially due to the connection to Endgame. And it not being the first, yeah, but then, neither was Wonder Woman. It is not like female lead Comic book movies have become common place. At least not yet.

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#94958: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:51:52 AM

Wonder Woman wasn't the first female-led superhero movie ever, but then, neither was Black Panther the first superhero movie starring a black person ever either.

When people talk about "firsts", they're generally excluding shit like Supergirl or Steel or Catwoman. The 00's basically reinvented the superhero genre, starting with Spider Man. What we think of as "The Superhero Genre" in fans' minds begins at that film for Marvel and Batman Begins for DC.

It's not so much "first ever" as it is "first ever to have actual effort and budget put into it".

Though I think BP was legit the first black-led superhero film to actually take place in Africa.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:53:34 AM

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#94959: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:53:29 AM

Albeit a fictionalized African country with super-tech. They neatly sidestepped a few potential landmines with that one. Not that I'm complaining.

Oh, and don't forget Elektra, much though we may want to. I still want to watch that film some day just for the bile fascination.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 16th 2019 at 9:57:29 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94960: Jan 16th 2019 at 6:54:58 AM

It certainly was.

Captain Marvel will still be the first female lead movie in the MCU, so female MCU fans (and those are a LOT) might flog to it.

But then, a lot depends on the question if the movie is actually good and connects with the audience.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#94961: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:16:32 AM

[up][up] I’m black and I know a lot of black people believed Black Panther was the first black-led superhero movie ever. They don’t even know who Blade is or forgot about him. His first two movies were good too.

Edited by ManOfSin on Jan 16th 2019 at 12:01:17 PM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#94962: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:29:13 AM

Though Panther is more typically-superhero-y

It's entirely feasible for Captain Marvel to do well (reasonable return on budget, probably enough for a sequel) but not very well (massive hit, draw in people that don't already watch most Marvel movies).

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#94963: Jan 16th 2019 at 7:35:39 AM

draw in people that don't already watch most Marvel movies

Ah, there you said it. I don't see Captain Marvel as a huge draw to people who aren't already MCU fans. Which is not a bad thing per se, but I'm not sure that the "her -> a hero" message is resonating as much as I think they were hoping for it to.

That said, I have seen a lot of reaction videos to the trailers from girls and women who absolutely find the message empowering. The thing is that they're all already Marvel fans. The Venn diagram isn't expanding much.

Of course, I'm totally willing to be wrong here. I want to see girls and women (and boys and men!) packed into seats on opening weekend.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 16th 2019 at 10:51:08 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94964: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:42:22 AM

"some of the novelty, for good or ill, seems to have wore off."

That and for many this movie is too little too late for marvel, it two at decade and twenty movie while DCCU took only three, to get wonder woman for example.

"I actually think that Wonder Woman got hold back by its association with the DCEU"

I disagree few complains aside people actually liker in the movie and help push the idea she could be awsome.

"What we think of as "The Superhero Genre" in fans' minds begins at that film for Marvel and Batman Begins for DC. "

You can see is when super become a phenomenon but yeah plenty of hero movie exist before of it.

"What we think of as "The Superhero Genre" in fans' minds begins at that film for Marvel and Batman Begins for DC. "

Many see blade as vampire movie, not a superhero one and isnt hard to see why.

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#94965: Jan 16th 2019 at 8:44:56 AM

I had no idea Blade was a Marvel character

Suddenly I want him in the Cinematic Universe

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94966: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:02:52 AM

Only if he's British this time.

[up][up]Fairness where it is due, Wonder Woman has been a really big DC character for decades before her movie was made, while Marvel doesn't have any heroines with the same popularity that aren't part of an ensemble.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#94967: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:03:07 AM

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If Aquaman made a billions I think Wonder Woman should have. So believe B v S held her back at the Box Office.

Edited by ManOfSin on Jan 16th 2019 at 12:05:02 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94968: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:09:46 AM

I think the main difference between Blade & Panther is that while Blade has a black-lead, Panther has a like 99% black cast.

The latter is so black you can make an Uncle Ruckus joke. tongue

Shit if Boondocks were still around, they’d totes make a Black Panther episode.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94969: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:09:55 AM

If anything, its association with the DCEU helped Wonder Woman.

I mean, it's a good movie, but quality doesn't guarantee box-office sales, and the sheer lack of hope anyone had for DC at the time certainly helped WW to achieve the success it made.

As we say in me homeland, the best seasoning is hunger.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#94970: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:13:25 AM

[up][up][up] Womder Woman made more than Aquaman domestically.

However, Aquaman’s doing a lot better in China.

Edited by Galadriel on Jan 16th 2019 at 12:14:32 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#94971: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:19:40 AM

Character posters for Captain Marvel

Pretty good as far as Character posters go. Except the Goose poster, that one is amazing.

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#94973: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:25:37 AM

the cat is a very convincing skrull

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#94974: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:26:46 AM

Who hates Mondays.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94975: Jan 16th 2019 at 9:27:47 AM

What sort of asshole likes Mondays? Probably the same kind that wakes up in the morning in a good mood.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 16th 2019 at 2:28:32 PM


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