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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#94876: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:34:06 PM

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Which to be fair, may have been a part of Tony's plan.

He was the one who picked her, and it's clear he knew what he was doing when he did so.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94877: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:36:42 PM

Word! I would love more emphasis on Pepper being a bad-ass CEO. But no, they rather stuff her in suits for five minutes.

You know, I am kind of amused how excited the internet is about a fishbowl.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94878: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:37:27 PM

Doesn't change the fact that she is a genius businesswoman far more capable than he could ever be, which he acknowledges by, well, handing her the company.

Tony's not dumb, obviously, but despite what Hollywood tries to convince us of, being a genius scientist only makes you great at science; business requires a far more different skill set that Tony clearly doesn't have.

[up]I agree, but unfortunately, business is boring, impossibly advanced robotics are not.

Its just not the kind of thing that is easy to show in a visual medium like Movies. A book might be possible, but I haven't heard anything about the literature side of the MCU, so I'm guessing the Black Widow books didn't pan out.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:39:42 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94879: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:37:47 PM

Without the fishbowl, it ain't Mysterio.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#94880: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:38:54 PM

Pepper also killed 2/3 of Tony's Big Bads.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#94881: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:43:53 PM

[up][up] He has the fishbowl. You see it for a sec.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94882: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:50:22 PM

[up] And that's why people are so excited about it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#94883: Jan 15th 2019 at 12:54:36 PM

I think the Black Widow novel later got a sequel that made it explicitly clear it was not part of the MCU, since Captain Marvel shows up despite the obvious fact her film wasn't released yet.

There was a prequel novel focused on Thanos, but it was later revealed that it was not canon and should be ignored. I assume because it might contradict some stuff in Avengers: Endgame.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94884: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:03:39 PM

Honestly, even the tie-in comics are optional at best. They have gotten contradicted multiple times by now.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#94885: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:08:06 PM

Fury's Big Week still rules though.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#94886: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:10:27 PM

I think they've always fit into theoretically canon but the movies are free to contradict all they want, even one rung below the TV series.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94888: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:31:16 PM

Generally of dubious quality as well.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#94889: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:32:55 PM

I hope that they give Jake Gyllenhaal the same opportunity to show off his acting chops by playing a cool baddie that they gave Michael Keaton in the last film.

Hopefully they finally introduce Felicia Hardy/Black Cat in the third film.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#94890: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:34:20 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Felicia the girl with white hair you can see in the background at Peter's school sometimes?

This song needs more love.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#94891: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:34:21 PM

People always talk about the fishbowl, but you know what my favorite part about Mysterio's costume is? The gauntlets. Those things are fire.

They were instinctively the first thing I looked for the moment he appeared in the trailer. I was not disappointed.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 15th 2019 at 1:35:15 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#94892: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:36:02 PM

It would be a letdown to have such a great villain in Homecoming only to present a generic asshole in Far from Home. This new Spider-Man series has set a high bar for itself; it should at least try to keep meeting it rather than duck under with an apologetic look on its face.

As far as the acting is concerned, Michael Keaton is far scarier saying menacing things to Tom Holland in his car than flying around in a bird suit. I don't really have as much stake in Jake Gyllenhaal, so I'm hoping to see what he can do.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 4:38:43 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94893: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:41:55 PM

I'm wondering...everyone seems to be sure that Mysterio is pulling a Syndrome, but what if it is the other way around? If he actually wants to be a hero for real but ends up failing badly in the movie?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#94894: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:42:16 PM

One thing interesting about the trailer is that Mysterio appears to have wind powers, completing the Four-Element Ensemble between himself and the elementals. Now, whether Mysterio's wind powers are real or not remains to be seen, but if he's positioning himself as a wind-based superhero tasked with taking down earth, water, and fire-based elemental titans, that's a fairly realistic and believable superhero character he's created.

Also, the Elementals are a real group of characters in the comics, made up of Hellfire, Hydron, Magnum, and Zephyr, who wasn't shown in the teaser. Assuming they're even real, they're probably not Sandman, Hydro-Man, and Molten Man, unless they're Composite Characters.

wild mass guessMysterio and the Elementals are actually a group of DND players. They decided to take their role-playing to the next level and become superheros and supervillains.wild mass guess

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#94895: Jan 15th 2019 at 1:59:02 PM

Yeah, that trailer was cool. Mysterio looks awesome, MJ is once again delightful and adorable. Will think of more impressions later.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#94896: Jan 15th 2019 at 3:56:36 PM

I never really noticed the gauntlets,it's a detail you usually miss

Wondering how long before the Kingpin appears..

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#94897: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:00:14 PM

I'm wondering...everyone seems to be sure that Mysterio is pulling a Syndrome, but what if it is the other way around? If he actually wants to be a hero for real but ends up failing badly in the movie?

You could look at it from the opposite direction: can we expect the casual movie audience to know the details of who Mysterio is, when they may only have been exposed to the prior Spider-Man films? I wouldn't be averse to a subversion where he ends up being a hero, but that strikes me as something that a lot of the audience won't appreciate.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94898: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:08:19 PM

Wondering how long before the Kingpin appears..
They can't use him for two years after his appearance in Daredevil, but that does mean that he can appear during the third Spider-Man film, which should be out in June/July of 2021.

It would be really freakin' awesome if his mentor in the third film was Daredevil. Like, not just an experienced superhero, but an experienced street-level hero who knows just how bad things can get and just perseveres. Heck, they could even base it on "The Devil and the Details," a Spider-Man/Daredevil/Black Cat story.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#94899: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:10:18 PM

From the cartoons there's also Alistair Smythe,he's one the big ones from what I can gather

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#94900: Jan 15th 2019 at 4:47:49 PM

Smythe was never a top-tier Spider villain except in the one cartoon and he hasn't been popular for a while. I doubt he'd ever be a Big Bad in an MCU movie.


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