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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I'm reading a lot of comments saying that Kevin Feige explicitly stated Far from Home occurs immediately after Endgame. The grotesque shift of tone leads inescapably to one of three possibilities:
- Feige is lying or wrong, and the timeline is ferkakked. (He did lie about the title of Avengers 4; maybe he's seeding disinformation intentionally in order to throw people off.)
- He's telling the truth, and the trailer is carefully edited not to show any scenes that might spoil Endgame.
- He's telling the truth, and Endgame pushes a Reset Button or Alternate Universe on us such that the Snap is completely erased from the timeline.
In the trailer, Pete certainly doesn't act like a teenager who just hitched a ride into space with his mentor and idol, fought a Titan, died, and came back to life.
It looks like Peter spends at least some time with his friends enjoying the trip without being Spider-Man, and Nick Fury shows up and pulls him back into heroing. The conclusion is that Fury brings the suit with him, or arranges its transport with whoever's in charge at Stark Industries post-Endgame.
Ooh, a thought occurred. May and Happy meet and seem to get along. Maybe they send the suit to England behind Peter's back and Happy arranges for it to get through customs. That would certainly be within his authority.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:22:15 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Another Easter egg
: Peter's passport says his birthday is August 10, the date that Amazing Fantasy #15 came out (August 10, 1962).
Edited by alliterator on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:11:11 AM
He might have lied or they reconsidered later on. But if he was telling the truth, well, I would be careful to hide any information one way or another and if there is something spoilery in the movie, for example Peter grieving over Tony, I wouldn't put in into a trailer until after Endgame has been in theatres for at least three weeks.
I still don't think Tony dies in Endgame.
Happy's presence at the start of the trailer suggests that the dynamic where Peter works as a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man while reporting to Happy (and by extension, Stark) is still in place. Unless that scene's supposed to be a flashback to before IW.
Stark Industries does not sponsor Spider-Man or the Avengers. Tony Stark sponsors Spider-Man and the Avengers. It's the eccentric owner's pet project, not a corporate business model. If Stark was dead, thus ending any connection between Stark Industries and the Avengers, then why would Happy still be a part of Peter and now May's lives?
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 15th 2019 at 12:27:00 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Guilt? Friendship? By the end of Homecoming, Happy seems to be warming up to Peter. Also, Tony might have bequeathed some interesting things in his will, like a portion of his business to the Avengers.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:25:41 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Because Happy likes Peter and likes supporting him? He showed at the end of Homecoming to thank him personally (even if it was also to drive him to the Avengers HQ). He also looks like he's delivering a comically large check for 500,000 to the homeless shelter, probably from Stark Industries.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:24:58 AM
He's totally delivering a comically large check to the homeless shelter. But I doubt it's a total coincidence that Spider-Man just happens to be speaking at that same homeless shelter. Most likely, Spidey's here for the same reason Happy is, as part of the same presentation. Happy's just late.
And that implies that their professional relationship is still intact.
With RDJ on his way out, I'm expecting his character to just sort of drift offscreen, with other characters like Happy popping up here and there to be like, "Mr. Stark wants you to do this." Just sort of hearing about the stuff Iron Man's doing every now and then, maybe showing up for some tie-in comics from time to time. And occasionally seeing him again in person whenever Marvel can cough up the insane paycheck for RDJ to give a f*ck about putting on the suit again.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 15th 2019 at 12:29:27 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.@Tobias: I dunno, it would be nice if instead Pepper took over the duty of looking out for Peter. She must know the kid means a lot to Tony, so taking up the mentor, or at least enabler, role seems like a natural conclusion.
As for timelines, the only real answer is that every movie takes place whenever the writers need it to take place for the story to work, we're well past the point where when the movie's supposed to take place is simply another disbelief to suspend.
Maaaaaannnnnn, this just brings out my personal angst over the endings these characters that we've known for as much as eleven years are going to get.
- Thor's lost all his connections, so dying wouldn't be any more tragic for him. On the other hand, he could fly off into the multiverse to find the remants of his people and rebuild Asgard, putting him on a bus in case he's needed in the future. (Also, I ship Thor and Valkyrie.)
- Steve dying would be bittersweet but not tragic as long as folks like Bucky can carry on for him. If Time Travel really is a plot point, then he might not be killed but could instead return to The '40s to live out his life with Peggy, possibly depowered. It'd be as happy an ending as he would be likely to get.
- Tony dying would absolutely suck if Pepper were left bereaved just as it looked like they were finally going to be happy together. I won't be happy about that outcome. He's wanted to retire for so long, though: what if he goes through with it for real this time?
- For similar reasons, it would be tragic to have Vision come back without Wanda, or vice versa; and the same applies to Quill and Gamora, future film and show contracts notwithstanding.
I've been thinking a lot about how Endgame might turn out, and something occurred to me. There are a lot of "yeah" moments in Infinity War, but there are also a few moments in which characters make poor decisions that help Thanos win. What if the resolution is to muck about with time in such a way that those decisions are made differently?
- If the Guardians don't go to Knowhere, Thanos won't be able to get the Soul Stone, or at least not as easily.
- If Quill doesn't freak out over Gamora's death, the trap on Titan might work.
- If Strange refuses to surrender the Time Stone under the threat of Tony's life.
- If Wanda destroys the Mind Stone before Thanos arrives on Earth, he won't be able to undo it.
- If Thor aims for the head... or even the arm...
Imagine a sequence in which these events are selectively rewritten. Even something as simple as Thanos acquiring the stones in a different order might give the heroes a better chance. Doctor Who has played tricks like that and it's always been pretty damn awesome.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:54:20 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The comics basically went with the weird assortment of supporting cast carrying on Tony's work when he was in a coma so I could see a pretty similar situation if Tony dies in Endgame. Pepper and Happy (and maybe Friday I guess?) could probably carry on kind-of-as-normal, albeit with a significant emotional difference.
What it ultimately comes down to is Far From Home looks to be trying to be fairly standalone at a point where the shared universe is far too busy for that to be neat.
I'm kind of expecting Tony and/or Steve to die just because it's a pretty obvious 'emotional kick' beat.
Edited by HalfFaust on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:48:38 AM
A bittersweet endings seems like a fitting conclusion. The MCU has often been called a "modern myth", and myths rarely end on a happy note.
But anyway, as for Capt Marvel Power Level, I'm fine with her being the most powerful heroine in the setting, but that comes with two asterisks: 1) her maximum power is limited to her Binary form, Super Saiyan-style, so as to help keep the tension; 2) when she's introduced, Spectrum will take over that position from her, so as to keep things in line with the comics, and because showing a black woman as the most powerful being on Earth is a great way to piss off people that deserve to be tickled off.
They are setting up Monica Rambeau as living in her universe, so maybe Photon will be a thing. (Caveat: I have never read any of the comics; I'm just going off of what I've absorbed through osmosis.)
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 2:52:56 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What I meant to say was Spectrum taking Captain Marvel's place as the most powerful Avenger, not as Captain Marvel.
While I considerably softened up my stance on Legacy Characters (I blame Kamala Khan), I still dislike when a character with its own, established history takes over a identity rather than simply keeping its own. Falcon, for instance, doesn't need to become Captain America to sell comics, he's a interesting enough character on his own. It's by no means a deal-breaker, mind, but I'd rather they just turned Spectrum into an A-list heroine as well-known as Captain Marvel rather than just another Captain Marvel.
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Amen to that! No Sentry, for the love of God.
The only good thing the guy was good for was that (admittedly fucking great) fight at the end of World War Hulk. That's how good his character is, his most shinning moment was getting Worfed!
Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 15th 2019 at 5:01:23 PM
I soooo agree. Legacy characters CAN work, but as a general rule, I really don't see why Falcon needs to be Captain America to be cool. I rather have new heroes you can introduce as new friends/team mates of established heroes and then, when they develop a fanbase, you can spin them off. Or completely new characters which sell on a crazy concept.
Doesn't she do that a lot already, though?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Pepper still the head CEO of Stark Industries? I don't recall if she ever stepped down after the events of Iron Man 2.
Yeah, that doesn't really mean much: barring the Civil War years, Pepper is the CEO of Stark Industries since Iron Man 2.
It's a pity they never focus much on it (not that there's time, really), but when you look at the whole chronology, Pepper has done more for the company to prosper than Tony, Obadiah and Howard combined. It's starting with her "rule" that the company went from "realistically big and rich" to "borderline NGO Superpower".

Tony Stark has links to the Government so he could probably get them to look at the other way with the spider suit
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