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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94826: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:24:57 AM

Well, they certainly took care to not have year dates in the passport...I wonder if they blurred them out for the trailer or if they aren't there in the movie either. But I suspect that is kind deliberate. I mean, why else showing off the passport in the trailer?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#94827: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:25:31 AM

[up]Peter’s awkward photo of course.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94828: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:31:06 AM

I didn't even notice...he kind of looks always like this….

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#94829: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:31:09 AM

It makes much more sense for the timeline to have Infinity War take place in 2018, but this may come down to a Shrug of God in the end. Or maybe Far from Home simply ignores Infinity War and leaves it ambiguous when it takes place, although that does suggest certain other things.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94830: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:32:40 AM

It takes place in the Year of the Spider.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94831: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:34:14 AM

  • Civil War happens in 2016. It may or may not happen during the school year.
  • Homecoming follows on from Civil War. Pete returns to school after his "internship trip" with Stark, and summer break doesn't happen during the film. He's a sophomore, and 15 years old. So it probably picks up at the beginning of his school year. The big event is the Homecoming dance, and that typically happens in September or October, so the timeline checks out.
  • Infinity War happens in 2017. Peter is in school because he's on a field trip. It's not winter because people aren't wearing heavy outerwear. So candidates are spring 2017 and fall 2017. If the former, he'd be concluding his junior year, and if the latter, he'd be starting his senior year.
I think you've got it, you just haven't put it together yet. Civil War and Infinity War take place both at the same time they came out: May 2016 and May 2018, two years apart. Hence: the two years of house arrest that Scott Lang got.

But Spider-Man: Homecoming came out in June 2017, which means that it probably is about Peter's sophomore year, which is Fall 2016 to Summer 2017. Since Infinity War takes place in May 2018, that's a year (and some change) after Homecoming, towards the end of Peter's junior year. But, as we saw in Infinity War, he's still in school, so Infinity War marks the end of Peter's junior year in high school. And Far From Home is probably the summer field trip between his junior and senior year. Or it's his senior class trip to Europe (it happens) and the third film will be set during college.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 15th 2019 at 9:34:38 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94832: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:36:27 AM

He put Infinity War into 2017 because that's when the official timeline says it happens (stupid yeah, but official, unfortunately).

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#94833: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:37:22 AM

[up] Yeah, that's the problem. Marvel's own timeline says Infinity War happens in 2017. It's impossible to reconcile with Ant-Man and the Wasp. The "release date equals in-universe date" thing doesn't work and I'm not trying to use it.

And Far From Home is probably the summer field trip between his junior and senior year.

This is the likeliest scenario, but by necessity skips over a block of him being Spider-Man in New York during the remainder of his sophomore year and his entire junior year. That's fine if we are to presume that he just does cool heroic stuff during that period and everybody likes him now. If that's true, and IW happens in 2018, then FFH happens before IW. But if IW happens in 2017, we must assume that Endgame presses some kind of Reset Button.
[down] Exactly. The official timeline is BS.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 12:41:51 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94834: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:39:08 AM

Homecoming might have been released in 2017, but it is explicitly set in the same year as Civil war, so in 2016.

You know what? I can imagine that Marvel just doesn't specify when Far from home is set at all in a "you know what, put it into the timeline wherever it fits" move.

And the so called official timeline is a pile of nonsense. I refuse to use it. Infinity War can't be set in 2017 because it messes up with all the dates we are given within the movie AND it would contradict Ao S.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 15th 2019 at 9:40:28 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94835: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:50:12 AM

If that's true, and IW happens in 2018, then FFH happens before IW.
IW takes place in 2018, but it takes place in early 2018, while FFH takes place in Summer 2018. Fixed.

And the official timeline is just fercockt.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 15th 2019 at 9:50:20 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#94836: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:52:25 AM

I could buy the totally-not-Mysterio’s-minions-I-swear not actually being the comics versions of anyone and actually being Mysterio’s creations.

I’m mostly against the obvious mindless minions being Sandman and Molten Man - don’t really care about Hydro-Man - because it’d be the same thing I hated about Thor 2 handling Kurse: adapting an interesting character as a bland monster. That said, I’d love it if it was something like Homecoming where Mysterio has a crew, who are smarter than they look and acting like monsters, and then maybe Molten Man and Sandman have second thoughts.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 15th 2019 at 10:11:00 AM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#94837: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:08:04 AM

Random interlude: is Carol going to be/should she be the strongest MCU Avenger? Because a few Google searched articles are implying she's the strongest in the MCU, or should be.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#94838: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:08:53 AM

I'd say she's up there with Thor.

If he also dies in Endgame, she may take that title by default.

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#94839: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:09:23 AM

[up][up][up] I like that idea. I can see the Elementals acting like mindless monsters, only for Peter learning about Mysterio's scheme when he sees him casually hanging out with them, maybe asking Sandman how his family's doing. The film makes the audience think they're just monsters, but they're just ordinary guys with great powers who turned to crime.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 15th 2019 at 1:09:42 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#94840: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:11:09 AM

Other reactions and predictions:

  • This looks like another movie where Peter doesn’t really want to be Spider-Man as we know him so he’s given a mentor figure who pushes him into it instead. I’m just waiting for the part of this coming of age story where he tells all these people who want him to be dependent on them to shut up and becomes his own man (rather than backsliding like he does in Infinity War).
  • Peter and Michelle aren’t going to end well. There’s too much adorable in the trailer for it to end well. Some horrible twist is going to prevent it, just like Liz.
  • Someone or everyone on the trip is going to find out Peter’s secret identity. To note, everyone on the trip seems to be someone who learned Peter’s secret at some point or another in the comics, minus Ned by technicality (though he’s based more on an Ultimare character who did).
  • On that note, Betty and Ned are going to hook up.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 15th 2019 at 10:11:56 AM

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#94841: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:11:54 AM

When someone says Sandman I immediate think of this scene

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94842: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:28:35 AM

I don't think that Peter doesn't want to be Spider-Man...it looks more like he feels that he should have a little break.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#94843: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:30:07 AM

I'd be surprised if the elemental dudes appeared much after Mysterio's introduction. I also get the feeling that this is the last we'll see of Peter's school cast save maybe Ned and Michelle. Don't really know why I think that, it's just a gut instinct.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#94844: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:33:09 AM

[up][up][up]Still a masterfully done scene

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#94845: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:39:48 AM

Far From Home looks great. It's not necessarily what I think would happen, but I would love if they went the route of having Sandman, Molten Man, and Hydro-Man as just normal dudes whom Mysterio is working with to scam everyone else into thinking he's a superhero.

That timeline has some major problems, probably the biggest being that it states that Civil War takes place in 2016 and Black Panther takes place in 2017. Black Panther explicitly takes place a week after Civil War.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:40:25 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94846: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:43:13 AM

Yeah, there was a LOT going on in 2016 in the MCU while 2017 was mostly a calm year aside from Doctor Strange defeating Dormammu

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#94847: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:49:49 AM

The thing that makes me think that the elementals have to be real is that Spider-Man will be fighting them.

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#94848: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:52:49 AM

Making his illusions real enough to be a tangible physical threat might just be the oldest trick in Mysterio's arsenal.

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#94849: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:58:28 AM

I'm hoping Strange turns up at end because Mysterio had summoned forces beyond his control

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94850: Jan 15th 2019 at 10:59:19 AM

On a different note...how do you even get a spiderman suit through customs? I mean, all the tech in it much look really dangerous on an x-ray….


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