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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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Lost in Space
#94802: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:25:36 AM

Second, I feel this version of Mysterio has actually learned to use magic, but he rejected the whole "Protector from the Shadows" thing Kamar Taj enforces and instead uses his powers to make himself a celebrity.

Some of the moves he's using on screen do look suspiciously like Dr. Strange's brand of magic, which would make sense if all sorcerers are trained in the same arts.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94803: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:27:28 AM

Or he took video of Strange's fight in New York and is simply copying him. It would be interesting if we got an unexpected cameo from Doctor Strange, where they show him footage of Mysterio and he's like, "Nope, that's all wrong, he's not a wizard, you guys." After all, isn't one of the Sanctums in Europe?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#94804: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:28:48 AM

To be clear, "OG!MJ" = "Original gangster Mary Jane", and Original Gangster is a Americanism that means "the original" of something cool.

This has been Gaon with linguistics report. Back to you, Jack.

@Falrinn: I've considered if the "Fake Ultimate Hero Mysterio" twist isn't too obvious and I just started wondering if the second layer isn't that Nick Fury himself is also an illusion.

I also really hope the climax involves the iconic "Mysterio makes Spidey think he's the size of an actual spider" moment, Mysterio's second finest hour after Guardian Devil.

[up] The Sanctums are apparently in New York, London and Hong Kong, according to Wong, but the London sanctum was destroyed during the events of the film. Could be fun to cameo Doctor Strange rebuilding it though.

Edited by Gaon on Jan 15th 2019 at 8:30:29 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#94805: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:30:06 AM

Right, so...

If the elemental villains are real, probably one person. If they're illusions, I could buy them being the assorted minor villains - Sandman's been done and probably isn't big enough for a repeat, Hydro Man couldn't really be a main villain, etc.

Slightly cynical (and weirdly minor) prediction; Mysterio's fishbowl helmet will be present for long enough that it can be called a comics-authentic costume, but he'll go without it for a good period of time for actor-face recognition and avoiding the fact that it is kind of silly

I actually really like heroes with a wide group of secret keepers but I wasn't expecting them to go that way with May

Given that status quo seems pretty intact, I guess this is an interquel. I suppose they could be hiding it really damn well but unless the resolution to Endgame is completely resetting, they'd really have to acknowledge it.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#94806: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:32:10 AM

I can picture the film ending with Spidey on a school bus back home, when his spider-sense tingles and he turns around, seeing one of Thanos's warships in the sky and things go full circle.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#94807: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:32:52 AM

Given that status quo seems pretty intact, I guess this is an interquel. I suppose they could be hiding it really damn well but unless the resolution to Endgame is completely resetting, they'd really have to acknowledge it.

This is my guess as well. It's really hard to see how Infinity War could not be acknowledged in-universe unless Endgame pushes the Reset Button in an absolute sense.

The other issue is timing: if Peter is a sophomore in Homecoming, he's a senior during Infinity War, and the summer after that would be post-graduation, so there most definitely would not be a sponsored school trip.

I can picture the film ending with Spidey on a school bus back home, when his spider-sense tingles and he turns around, seeing one of Thanos's warships in the sky and things go full circle.

Eh, it might be after they get back, but it wouldn't be part of the same trip. This could be FFH's stinger, though, which would be great.

Also, now we know where Nick Fury's been hiding out since Winter Soldier.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:34:28 AM

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#94808: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:33:34 AM

[up][up] It's already been confirmed this movie is post-endgame, not to mention it comes out long after that movie anyway, so what's the point in concealing any surprises?

Edited by Zarius on Jan 15th 2019 at 8:34:01 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#94810: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:38:18 AM

Well, they've committed to Michelle as MJ. Diversity is always good, though I'm also going to miss classic MJ, especially with how normal Marvel seems determined to do her dirty.

But hey, Michelle is crazy fun because of how much of a troll she is, so I can dig it.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#94811: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:43:37 AM

I recall reading about someone in the movie who may or may not be Jessica Drew. Was that ever debunked?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94812: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:44:52 AM

Nah, if I remember correctly, it was the other way around, the news about the "call me MJ" scene leaked through my least favourite "scooper" and then the whole discussion around the notion started.

Btw, what kind of "school trip" is that? Venedig and London? Could they go to two places FURTHER apart within Europe?

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STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#94813: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:44:54 AM

There's a line between "fun troll" and "utterly insufferable", and I really hope she doesn't cross to the second one - or worse, they go there and insist they're still on the first side.

This place is careless.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#94814: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:47:05 AM

I didn't find her at all insufferable in the first one.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#94815: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:50:41 AM

Agreed; I knew a couple girls like her in high school and college; didn’t find her annoying at all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94816: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:54:01 AM

Given that status quo seems pretty intact, I guess this is an interquel. I suppose they could be hiding it really damn well but unless the resolution to Endgame is completely resetting, they'd really have to acknowledge it.
Why would they show anything that spoils Endgame? I mean, they aren't going to start the trailer by showing Tony's funeral or something, that would be silly.

The other issue is timing: if Peter is a sophomore in Homecoming, he's a senior during Infinity War, and the summer after that would be post-graduation, so there most definitely would not be a sponsored school trip.
Where did you get the fact that Infinity War takes place a year after Homecoming? I would guess that Infinity War would take place towards the end of Peter's sophomore school year (hence him riding the bus back), which means this class trip would be his junior class trip.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 15th 2019 at 8:54:40 AM

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Lost in Space
#94817: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:56:24 AM

Infinity War canonically takes place two years after Civil War. We know this with absolute certainty, because Ant-Man and the Wasp shows Scott about to finish serving his two-year home confinement sentence and the end-credits sequence literally coincides with the Snap.

Homecoming starts immediately after Civil War, then montages over a couple of months before hitting its narrative stride. It is explicitly Peter's sophomore year.

Ergo, IW happens in his senior year. There's no way around these facts. Well, it might happen at the tail end of his junior year, but that's a stretch, since Peter must have been in school when Tony recruited him for CW.

Edited to ask a question: do we know canonically what time of year Civil War and Infinity War happen in? If we assume that they coincide with the theatrical release dates, then you run into a bit of a problem, because Peter couldn't spend "a few months" after returning from CW without overlapping with his summer break.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 12:04:53 PM

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The Head of the Hydra
#94818: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:56:37 AM

"What's up dickwad?" [lol]

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Disasturbator
#94819: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:57:36 AM

inappropriate language! film is now rated R

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Emissary of the Void
#94820: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:58:49 AM

I’m thinking that he knows that peter is Spider-Man and still shits on him to show face.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94821: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:03:12 AM

Tony says something along the line of Thanos has been X-years in my head and now he is back...I think the line puts Infinity war in 2018, but I would have to check...

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#94822: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:04:19 AM

There is an official timeline now (which still has some logical holes) https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/11/18/official-mcu-timeline/

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 15th 2019 at 6:04:26 PM

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#94823: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:11:21 AM

What's insufferable for one might not necessarily be to someone else.

I can see why people would dislike Michelle, but personally I think she's endearing in a trollinsh manner.

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Lost in Space
#94824: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:12:07 AM

[up][up] Blargh. That timeline still doesn't work if Infinity War happens in 2017, because it contradicts the "two years" thing from Ant-Man and the Wasp.

Okay, let's work it out.

  • Civil War happens in 2016. It may or may not happen during the school year.
  • Homecoming follows on from Civil War. Pete returns to school after his "internship trip" with Stark, and summer break doesn't happen during the film. He's a sophomore, and 15 years old. So it probably picks up at the beginning of his school year. The big event is the Homecoming dance, and that typically happens in September or October, so that puts Civil War during the spring or summer, depending on how long Peter was away. (He'd have missed an awful lot of class if it was the spring and someone would have noticed.)
  • Infinity War happens in 2017. Peter is in school because he's on a field trip. It's not winter because people aren't wearing heavy outerwear. So candidates are spring 2017 and fall 2017. If the former, he'd be concluding his sophomore year, and if the latter, he'd be starting his junior year.
  • Ant-Man and the Wasp happens near the end of Scott Lang's two year home confinement sentence after the events of Civil War. The Snap happens at the very end, right after he's served his time and resumed his career as bug boy. There is no way to reconcile this with the above, unless "two years" is an exaggeration and it's more like 16 months with some creative rounding.

Far from Home takes place on a summer break, during Peter's high school years. So it either takes place in the summer of 2017, with IW happening in the fall, or in the summer of 2018, post-Endgame, in a world where nobody seems to be traumatized by half of the population disappearing (and then presumably reappearing).

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 12:18:25 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#94825: Jan 15th 2019 at 9:21:14 AM

My sister was very fond of MJ in Homecoming. And she basically is MJ down to personality. [lol]


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