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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#94776: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:31:38 AM

I can't deal with the MJ thing. I just can't.

If she had been just Michelle, I could let it be.

As big as a fan of Peter/MJ I am, I can deal with him having other love interests.

Loved Peter/Liz for the short time it lasted in Spectacular, felt Peter/Gwen in Amazing was its one saving grace, and Peter/Chat in Adventures is one of his best drama-free romances.

But the nickname thing is just a step too far.

I can't.

[up]

The movies can do what they want on that front.

Edited by MrSeyker on Jan 15th 2019 at 6:33:45 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#94777: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:39:28 AM

But they can't have an MJ?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#94778: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:44:30 AM

[up]She’s not Mary Jane is what I think he’s getting at. She’s Michelle. Making her “MJ” feels...tacked on?

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#94779: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:44:44 AM

Funny. I think some of the ideas Sony wanted to do with Spider Man before the Marvel deal (according to the Sony Hack) involved him going to Europe. So they sorta get what they want.

Mysterio looks good.

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#94780: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:45:05 AM

[up][up]Nod to the fans, I guess. She's clearly a different character, so just roll with it.

[up] The tone of this film tells me either that it's set between Homecoming and Infinity War or that Endgame pushes some sort of Reset Button so that most people don't even know that the Snap happened.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 9:46:10 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#94781: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:45:21 AM

I don't mind it. I think the idea is that she will grow into a more traditional MJ as the movies go by.

I do wish they had used Black Cat though.

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#94782: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:48:19 AM

The fun part is guessing where in the timeline this takes place

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#94783: Jan 15th 2019 at 6:53:19 AM

Missed the conversation, but I’m pointing out late that Korg mentions the Hulk killed opposing gladiators on Sakaar.

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#94784: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:10:35 AM

THEY KEPT MYSTERIO'S FISHBOWL HELMET!!! YES!!!

That's all I really wanted. I'm being going to be a bit wary with any further trailers though. After Homecoming's last trailer, I'm a bit wary of too many spoilers being given away.

And yes, I know the trailers kept the Vulture reveal a secret. But they pretty much spoiled everything else, such as how the ferry scene would end and Tony taking the suit.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 15th 2019 at 10:12:24 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94785: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:15:44 AM

I love the Far From Home trailer. Like, everything about it: Aunt May being okay with Peter as Spider-Man and high fiving him, May and Happy Hogan flirting, Peter deciding to leave his spider-suit behind but then getting hijacked by Nick Freakin' Fury, him and MJ awkwardly flirting, and FUCK YEAH MYSTERIO.

Also: yes, that is totally MJ. She is the MJ of this universe. Get over it.

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#94786: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:22:25 AM

I really hope this trailer means we can finally put to bed the argument about whether or not she's really supposed to be MJ.

She's MJ. This is happening. grin

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94787: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:23:53 AM

Two Easter Eggs from the trailer:

One: Amazing Spider-Man #212 is "The Coming of Hydro-Man"

Two: Peter is using his uncle Ben's suitcase.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#94788: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:37:01 AM

Also more of The Ramones, which is always welcome. I’m guessing that’s because both come from the same part of Queens.

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#94789: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:38:25 AM

The choice of "I Wanna Be Sedated" over the trip montage is brilliant, if a bit cliched.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2019 at 10:38:56 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#94790: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:46:43 AM

I don't think anyone actually doubted Michelle was Mary Jane's stand in, they only question why such a connection needed to be there at all.

It doesn't matter to me because I don't care about MCU Spider-Man movies, but I get it all the same.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#94791: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:51:47 AM

My issue with the MJ thing is that it feels like they completely chickened out on actually making her Mary Jane Watson in order to sidestep all of the complaining. Like jeez, have a backbone.

Regardless, I'm glad to see Mr. Fishbowl.

Edited by LordVatek on Jan 15th 2019 at 10:53:56 AM

This song needs more love.
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#94792: Jan 15th 2019 at 7:54:32 AM

[up] Funny thing: as you said that I was reminded of a "blink and you'll miss it" background item in Homecoming: the school PA at the beginning mentions Betty Brant, whom fans will recognize as J Jonah Jameson's secretary and a minor love interest for Peter.

I have absolutely no problem with race lifting the cast and replacing "Mary Jane Watson" with "Michelle Jones". It really feels like people are going out of their way to be insulted.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94793: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:06:57 AM

My issue is still that it is way too early for Peter to meet MJ. I would have liked Michelle as school love interest and MJ can be his college "be together for life" love. But I can roll with it....

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 15th 2019 at 8:07:22 AM

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#94794: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:08:49 AM

Back when "Spider-Man: Homecoming" was still being hyped in interviews and casting announcements and such, there was a lot of momentum around Zendaya's casting. I don't remember exactly how, but the fandom latched onto the idea that she was cast to play MJ. The studio initially pushed back on these rumors, but the fans loved them; Zendaya-as-MJ became a goddamn phenomenon for its progressiveness, even after the studio finally came out and said she's playing a character called Michelle.

At the time, I was pretty sure the fandom had jumped the gun, but I did note that the studio had a potential opportunity here to win free diversity points. All they had to do was add a little reveal to the end of the movie where it turns out Michelle was totes MJ all along and BOOM, fans feel vindicated and Marvel falls ass-backwards into a major diversity win.

Then "Homecoming" came out, and I honestly feel like that's exactly what they did. People love the idea of Zendaya as MJ, so they put a little bit at the end to validate it and soaked in the applause.

The biggest point of concern was whether or not they'd actually commit to it going forward, and the "Far From Home" trailer makes clear that they know exactly what the opportunity they're sitting on means to their audience and aren't going to let it go to waste.

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#94795: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:08:52 AM

where's Gwen Stancy

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#94796: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:11:07 AM

She got a job working for Tony Stank.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#94797: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:11:57 AM

Good trailer. Definitely leaning into the theory that all the elemental villains are actually illusions created by Mysterio who is trying to make himself look like a hero.

Though part of me thinks that theory is too obvious, and that there's going to be another layer here. Like for example perhaps Mysterio is faking the villains because he wants to be seen as a hero, but in doing so attracts the attention of a real villain and this leads to a Spider-Man/Mysterio teamup.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94798: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:12:17 AM

First off, I love that they're finally putting back Flash's admiration for Spider-Man, and it makes for a great joke!

Second, I feel this version of Mysterio has actually learned to use magic, but he rejected the whole "Protector from the Shadows" thing Kamar Taj enforces and instead uses his powers to make himself a celebrity.

Lastly, on the one hand, I'll really miss the OG!MJ Fun Personified personality, on the other, the awkward romance between Michelle and Peter is really cute, so I'll give it a chance to change my view on this.

Still think they should dye her hair red, though, and I'm never budging on this.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94799: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:12:39 AM

Also more of The Ramones, which is always welcome. I’m guessing that’s because both come from the same part of Queens.
Also because the Ramones did a cover of the Spider-Man theme song back in 1995.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#94800: Jan 15th 2019 at 8:20:33 AM

> Lastly, on the one hand, I'll really miss the OG!MJ

the what now?

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