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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#94626: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:28:51 PM

If Gamora splattered brains were put back together, would she be revived or stay dead? Like, would her soul just go back to the body or would the perfectly functional body get a new soul identical to Gamora?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#94627: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:29:59 PM

Raising the dead would be possible with the complete Infinity Gauntlet. However, reversing the Snap wouldn't be as simple as taking the gauntlet, since its power was reduced after The Snap.

[up]It's possible the body would be an Empty Shell without a soul.

Edited by M84 on Jan 13th 2019 at 11:30:36 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#94628: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:34:43 PM

I think the logic is Reality Matter manipulates "matter" as a whole, but it'd be the Soul Stone's field of operation to resurrect people. Like, you could use the Reality Stone to reassemble a corpse back together but you wouldn't be able to pump life into it, because it'd be missing its actual soul. You'd need the Soul Stone to restablish that one.

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#94629: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:48:24 PM

We don't even know what exactly the Soul Stone does in the MCU. For all we know souls don't exist and its meaning is more esoteric than that.

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#94630: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:22:29 PM

[up]The soul stone since to implies there isa think as soul, maybe with that youc ould do something like astral travel like strange did.

How Nebula come to killing Thanos is intersting, it was litterely tell not show moment in a very pack movie, is almost bizarre.

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#94631: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:58:46 PM

[up][up] Apparently, Thanos used the Soul Stone to detect the real Doctor Strange among the many duplicates. And then, after the Snap, he found himself within the Soul Gem talking to child Gamora.

So, yes, the soul (or something approximating the soul) does exist.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#94632: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:06:27 PM

My earlier post about my ideas of how the Snap worked takes that property of the Soul Stone into account. Basically, the Soul Stone's role in The Snap was to act as a detector for every living being with a soul in the universe to mark them as a potential Snap victim.

Edited by M84 on Jan 14th 2019 at 3:06:44 AM

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#94633: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:20:10 PM

Black Widow says it halved the populations of all living creatures. Is this proof that animals have souls?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#94634: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:44:48 PM

[up]Hmm, perhaps the MCU is a bit animist.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#94635: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:01:33 AM

Well we do have Rocket in this universe.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94636: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:35:13 AM

@Gaon Are you talking about the comics version now? Because there, the gap is even wider. And no, Kraven is not 'on a lower tier peak human than Cap' he is outright superhuman. He is magically enhanced, in fact. Also, that one arc (Back in Black. I think it was?) showed just how much a non-holding back Spidey destroys the Kingpin.

Edit: Is anybody else as unexcited over Punisher S2 as me?

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 14th 2019 at 9:36:52 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#94637: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:46:48 AM

Can I ask why you're unexcited?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94638: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:09:38 AM

I guess there are a number of reasons. The season is being released just now, without much marketing or fanfare beforehand. The trailer didn't really show anything too interesting. Billy Russo's 'scarring' is a big disappointment. But I guess the biggest reason would be knowing that the Netflix Marvel era is at an end and that this show will be immediately cancelled too after the second season is released. And I also fear that there'll be many unresolved plot points that will never be concluded, as the production started way before all that cancelling started.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 14th 2019 at 10:11:07 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94639: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:22:17 AM

To be honest: The Netflix shows have been on life support since The Defenders...and that is largely related to what I call circular storytelling. Still, I will be there to watch the rest of it.

But the Netflix shows, well, they are an article in their own.

Regarding Gamora: What is harsher in Hindsight for me is the line "I spend my life surrounded by my enemies, I will be honoured to die surrounded by my friends." Yeah, didn't really work out in the end, did it?

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 14th 2019 at 2:22:38 AM

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#94640: Jan 14th 2019 at 3:08:45 AM

I wonder if Quill would have had a chance to shoot Gamora if he hadn't hesitated (he seems to struggle with the trigger before pulling it), or when Thanos egged him on by pushing Gamora's heads towards the barrel.

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#94641: Jan 14th 2019 at 3:43:02 AM

Thanos knew the Guardians were there, or would be there, because he prepared a trap for them using the Reality Stone. I find it unlikely that he'd be sufficiently unprepared to let something like that happen. Honestly, the most unexplained part of the plot of Infinity War is how Thanos figured out that Gamora would find him on Knowhere at that exact time. He didn't have the Soul Stone at that point, so he couldn't gain supernatural knowledge.

I can only assume that he counted on her being unable to resist trying to find him, but that's quite a stretch given that he couldn't possibly have known that the Guardians would receive the Asgardians' distress call. It just feels like he got incredibly lucky there.

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#94643: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:08:32 AM

Also, that one arc (Back in Black. I think it was?) showed just how much a non-holding back Spidey destroys the Kingpin.

I prefer the Silver Age, when Kingpin was unambiguously stronger than Spider-Man. Spidey still held an advantage in 1-v-1s due to his speed, agility, webbing, and Spidey-Sense, but Kingpin had the strength advantage and his cane which is also a tranquilizer dart gun and a knockout gas gun and a shotgun, somehow.

In general, I like my Spidey to have super strength, but sufficiently skilled normal people should still be able to give him a hard time. It just doesn't feel like Spider-Man if he fights a group of 10+ goons and he comes away without a scratch, he doesn't have super-durability. Peter Parker takes a hit just as well as everyone else does, maybe a tiny bit better because he can brace himself better, but a normal guy punching Spider-Man in the face should still hurt him.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 14th 2019 at 5:09:06 AM

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#94644: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:10:21 AM

If there’s any sexual violence in the Black Widow movie I will be very, very angry.

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#94645: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:31:07 AM

So in the UK an R rating is the equivalent to a 15 rating which is usually because of "“strong violence and language throughout, sexual content and graphic nudity.”

I don't really expect nudity,I expect dialogue will be laced with edgy swearing and lots of people being killed by Black Widow in violently and occasionally gruesome ways,sexual violence would probably push the age rating up so they'll probably avoid that as they're aiming for an r rating not Adults Only

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94646: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:35:01 AM

Agreed. I am not too keen on an r-rated movie, but it if is, it better is because of violence against mooks, not because of sexuality.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#94647: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:36:09 AM

Why would Black Widow need to be rated R??? It just seems so unnecessary and I hope the rumor isn’t true.

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#94648: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:45:30 AM

If it's a prequel covering her dark and edgy past, it makes sense to give it an R rating.

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#94650: Jan 14th 2019 at 4:50:49 AM

Yeah put me in the same boat as wisewillow. I really hope this a rumor and nothing more. There just has to be material and ways to make a Black Widow story work within the confines of PG-13.

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