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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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Lost in Space
#94551: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:47:05 AM

Peter is 15 in Homecoming, but I'm not sure where exactly that falls between Civil War and Infinity War. Regardless, adding 2 years means he's still in high school, albeit a senior.

I don't think anyone who's seen anything about the future of the MCU is even slightly confused about whether particular characters are coming back in Endgame. To have FFH set pre-IW would be very awkward, never mind messing with the idea that it represents the opening of Phase 4, which is supposed to be the post-IW/EG Marvel verse.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 13th 2019 at 10:51:18 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94552: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:00:27 AM

[up] It's set more or less directly after Civil War.

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#94553: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:03:39 AM

Only sort of. Like, there are scenes during and immediately after Civil War, but a period of time passes between those scenes and when Peter runs afoul of the Chitauri-powered robbery.

At the start of the movie, Peter sends an unclear amount of time doing the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man thing, leaving voicemails for Happy with updates, and waiting for his next Avengers gig.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 13th 2019 at 9:03:54 AM

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#94554: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:16:35 AM

I think the prologue states it was two months

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94555: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:17:58 AM

[up][up] It's still the same year. The time jumps are only two or three months.

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#94556: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:52:13 AM

He's a sophomore in Homecoming. If we add two years between that and Infinity War, he'd be a senior. The timeline is consistent, and there is room for intermediate stories, although you do run into the problem that it'd be tricky to maintain the Tony Stark mentorship thing while the Iron Spider suit sits there like a dangling plot thread.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 13th 2019 at 11:53:10 AM

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#94557: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:56:47 AM

The timeline is another one of those things where I forget that this is an actual thing people worry about, because I read the comics and the official comic timeline is "LOL".

The comics use a sliding timescale. Events don't take place at specific points in time, but rather at relative points. For instance, Peter Parker started being Spider-Man in the year "X-10", where X is whatever year it happens to be right now. The age of heroes began with the Fantastic Four's fateful flight in the year X-15.

I've gotten so used to this that I sometimes forget that it's actually kind of insane and most people expect clear and consistent dates for stuff. [lol]

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#94558: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:08:16 AM

Wait till time travel happens,then watch them cry over a timelines not making sense

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94559: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:22:03 AM

Well, a sliding timeline wouldn't make sense for the MCU anyway, because the actors have this strange habit to actually age.

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#94560: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:35:05 AM

I laugh at those who complain about timeline inconsistencies in the MCU, because they pail in comparison to the Gordian Knot that are the X-Men films. MCU fans should consider themselves lucky.

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#94561: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:38:14 AM

Internal consistency within a film universe. What a strange idea, amirite?

Anyway, I'm not concerned with the precise timeline so much as I am with the continuity between story and character elements. While there is room in the calendar for FFH to take place between HC and IW, I don't see that it makes sense thematically. (I'm willing to be wrong, of course.)

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 13th 2019 at 12:38:36 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94562: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:46:07 AM

Frankly, that really depends on what the movie is about. Both can work.

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#94563: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:25:04 AM

Watching the Hyper RPG review just now reminded me of the one major sequel hook: Aunt May discovering Peter's identity. That and the MJ plot... you know what, I take it back. There's lots of room for an interquel.

Also, my favorite running gag in the film is Captain America's PSAs. Because of course the government would use him that way. And the gym teacher saying, "I think he's a war criminal now, but I have to play this." Gold. Which of course all sets up the final end credits scene where Cap just gives up on the whole mess. [lol][lol][lol]

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 13th 2019 at 1:27:31 PM

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#94564: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:28:14 AM

What is the movie about, anyway? Did they already gave out an official synopsis, or are we still in the phase of just throwing wild theories around and seeing which one sticks?

[up]That's good, but the best joke in the movie by far is "I'm...watching...porn."

The delivery was just spot-on.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 13th 2019 at 3:29:43 PM

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#94565: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:32:05 AM

What is the movie about, anyway? Did they already gave out an official synopsis, or are we still in the phase of just throwing wild theories around and seeing which one sticks?

[up] Apparently, Spider-Man is recruited by Nick Fury over something regarding Elementals. And his partner is Mysterio.

That's the gist of it, I think. The only real wild theories being thrown around is whether it takes place before Infinity War or after Endgame.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 13th 2019 at 1:33:31 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94566: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:33:36 AM

Did they already gave out an official synopsis, or are we still in the phase of just throwing wild theories around and seeing which one sticks?
There's an official or unofficial synopsis you can Google which describes the plot from the leaked trailer (seen only in Brazil).

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#94567: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:35:03 AM

[up][up][up] Ned's character is a gem from the first minute he's on screen. He's so delightfully geeky and earnest that it makes my heart melt. He reminds me of friends I had in high school.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 13th 2019 at 1:35:26 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94568: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:37:07 AM

Honestly, I don't want to know. It is just fun to know as little as possible about those movies.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94569: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:45:27 AM

I think the movie did a good job giving Peter a Ganke-type character, a best friend for Peter that we know won't turn evil or whatever. It makes him less of a loner and gives him someone he can talk to and exposit with, while also providing humor.

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#94570: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:18:10 AM

Another thing that review pointed out: the best pure Spider-Man scene is the one where he has to lift the rubble that he's trapped under. That is straight from the original comics, and is perfectly captured on film. What is Spider-Man, really? He's not gadgets and super suits; he's a kid with super strength and reflexes and the will to protect the things he cares about.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94571: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:30:20 AM

Actually, the best scene is him freaking out and crying for help and as far as I know, that part is not from the comics. His reaction there is different.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#94572: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:55:34 AM

That's because in the comics he's fighting to save Aunt May and he's so devastated that he's failed that being buried under tons of rubble is the least of his concerns.

In this, there's no direct threat to anyone but him, so in a sense it's about finding the strength to save himself so he can stop Vulture. Proving that he really has what it takes when the chips are down and all that.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94573: Jan 13th 2019 at 12:03:16 PM

I think the point in the movie was more to remind the audience that at the end of the day, Peter is just a kid. He shouldn't out there and fight villains, there should be someone looking out for him. But he goes and shoulders the responsibility because, well, he has powers few people have.

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Lost in Space
#94574: Jan 13th 2019 at 12:53:42 PM

He also falls for the "collapse the building" trick, which a more experienced hero might not.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#94575: Jan 13th 2019 at 12:55:49 PM

As Spider-Man he will get into it.

Give it enough time & he will become masterful.

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