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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
- Strange: It's over. Thanos just turned himself to dust along with half of the universe.
- Stark: You and I have very different definitions of the word 'over'. What do we do now? How do we win?
- Strange: We did win.
- Stark: What.
- Strange: By letting Thanos have the Time Gem, he obliterated himself with half the universe. Now he's dead. That means we win.
- Stark: This was the plan? The WHOLE plan? How are we supposed to save the universe?!
- Strange: You never said anything about saving the universe. You just wanted to take out Thanos. It's done. He's taken out.
- Stark: We need to fix this. You're going to help me fix this.
- Strange: You want me to do what now?
- Stark: You're going to do your magic wizard thing and you're going to fix this. You made this mess, you get to clean it up. Until you do, I am going to be on you like green on the Hulk's biceps.
- Strange: Yeah, that's not happening. My plan already accounted for that too.
- Stark: How?
- Strange: (turns to dust, flipping Tony off as he goes)
Wait a minute. Hela broke Thor's hammer. To clarify, she catches it and holds it in midair while Thor is trying to make it to return to him. We know full well that this mystical god-hammer does not giving a flying fig about the laws of physics and will drop itself to the floor if anyone other than Thor or Vision tries to lift it, or fling itself through space if it can't find Thor.
So is Hela worthy? Asking half-seriously because Odin's morality is questionable.
Edited by Soble on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:46:58 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!The impression I got from that scene was that she was overpowering its enchantment with her god powers. It's a demonstration of force to show us that Hela is an insurmountable foe of godly proportions.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:45:52 AM
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This.
That's also why I always assumed Strange included "we defeated Thanos today, but he or one of his devotees eventually gets the Stones and wipes out the universe anyway" in his calculations. Especially given that the plan on Titan wasn't to kill Thanos, but to steal the Gauntlet and get the Hel out of there.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:22:32 AM
Killing Thanos in the Snap wouldn't equal victory, but it would make whatever attempt the Avengers make next to undo his actions far far easier, so it would still mean a likely higher chance of winnable futures than just one with Thanos still involved to oppose them.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:26:35 AM
We have no indication what makes things dust and what doesn't yet, especially with something as powerful as the Infinity Gauntlet. For now, it's just a theory.
But even then that would mean there'd be a 50% chance that Strange hands over the Time Stone and everyone is doomed anyway.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:47:46 AM
The gauntlet has its own power. IIRC, somebody brought up 'use the gauntlet to destroy itself' in the comics and failed to do so, so it probably wouldn't be destroyed by accident. Though I think an incursion eventually destroyed them (for a while). I suppose the counter-point is that the cloak of levitation was destroyed with Strange but that's a far less powerful artifact.
Edited by HalfFaust on Jan 13th 2019 at 2:01:04 AM
Even when Thanks succeeded, the gauntlet still broke so in a hypothetical "Dusted Thanos" story it's either dust or damaged, so our heroes are pretty screwed. And I presume even WITH the Gauntlet you need to have a certain physical power and mental fortitude to use all the stones at once and outside of maybe Thor I don't know who's up to that job.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."Ehh, I'd rather have Far From Home set after Infinity War, because otherwise there'd be that uncomfortable sense of seeing someone before their demise.
Besides, didn't they establish that FFH will set the stage for future MCU movies? How do you set the stage of the future during something that took place before a pivotal cataclysmic event like IW?
It's kind of damned either way round, yeah. For any of the sequels, if it's set after they're blatantly coming back, if it's set before it's developing doomed characters.
The gauntlet was wrecked but he seemed to space-stone teleport afterwards so there's something left.
The gauntlet being made for Thanos is kind of an interesting difference (the comics had to turn into a damn dog collar at one point) but with everyone added together they could probably find a way to use it (Thor might be straight-up strong enough, they could recreate the various power limiters, doing something from inside the soul stone, etc).
Edited by HalfFaust on Jan 13th 2019 at 6:34:56 AM
Honestly, with the likelihood that EVERYONE will want to watch Endgame within the first 2 weeks at least, I wouldn't be surprised if FFH did take place shortly after Endgame because by the time FFH comes out, everyone will know what went down.
Like, how long did it take for the Internet to make gags about people turning into dust, a few days after IW came out?
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The Gauntlet is certainly in bad shape, but it's still functional. However, Word of God has stated that using the Gauntlet to perform The Snap permanently reduced its power.
Edited by M84 on Jan 13th 2019 at 10:42:27 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

Then his plan would be undone in about forty years.