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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#94501: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:03:18 PM

Ah, see, I never watched Iron Man 2 all the way, and I only saw Iron Man 3 once. So okay, at least we have a few. Still, it's a tradition right off of the Spider-Man comic book universe, so I'm glad it makes an appearance in his first standalone MCU film.

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#94502: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:04:08 PM

I’m really glad a movie villain wasn’t killed off.

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#94503: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:16:31 PM

I have to side with Peter on the Poor Communication Kills aspect of the film. If Tony had even the slightest understanding of his motivations, he wouldn't have left him hanging to mess up, but would have kept him in the loop. That said, I don't think that the FBI guys were going to be enough to stop Vulture's little deal on the ferry.

I think they could have, actually. Vulture's wingsuit was in the truck, but that's in the truck. Toomes doesn't have any special superpowers; without the wingsuit, he's just some dude.

Spider-Man's presence introduced an element of chaos that gave Toomes a chance to run for the truck. Without that, your basic "Everyone put your hands up and freeze" arrest scenario wouldn't give Toomes time to flee to his wingsuit.

The FBI might have had a hard time fighting Vulture. But if the arrest had gone off properly, the FBI probably never would have had to fight Vulture.

Regarding Aunt May

I'm super-excited about May knowing that Peter's Spider-Man. There've been a few periods from the comics where she knew Peter's secret - the last third or so of Ultimate Spider-Man before Miles came along and the Straczynski run on Amazing Spider-Man both come to mind. And they're usually pretty fun. May knowing that he's Spider-Man lends to some great moments.

Straczynski's in particular was great. Peter and May got to have a hard talk about Peter's involvement in Uncle Ben's death. Rather than forgive him right away as one might expect, May actually had to take a day to really think about this and what it means for her and her grief. It was some solid drama.

And then she went home and promptly took up a regular hobby of sending hate mail to the Daily Bugle about what a shit-fiend J. Jonah Jameson is for his horrible treatment of Spider-Man. Aunt May versus JJJ is the best.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:18:20 AM

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#94504: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:19:37 PM

And then she went home and promptly took up a regular hobby of sending hate mail to the Daily Bugle about what a shit-fiend J. Jonah Jameson is for his horrible treatment of Spider-Man.

Okay, now that is funny. Makes me wonder if ol' JJJ will show up in the Marvel Spider-Verse.

Seriously, I have to wonder what it'd be like to be parenting a teenager with superpowers. And I don't mean Tony Stark's drunk, absentee father figure role. [lol]

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#94505: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:21:49 PM

IIRC, there's even a bit where Jonah talks to Peter and tries to convince him to get May to stop calling. It's got to be extra baffling for him, because comics! May hated Spidey too for a while.

Aunt May (and to a lesser extent, MJ) living in Avengers Tower involves some of my favorite Avengers moments of all time. Like May vs Wolverine.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 12th 2019 at 8:22:43 AM

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#94506: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:21:54 PM

I kind of hope Far From Home is set before Infinity War, just so that we can get some follow-ups from Homecoming's plot threads, and so that it doesn't spoil Endgame.

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#94507: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:22:57 PM

How much space do you think there is for that? Do we have any official statements on Far from Home's timeline? It's releasing after Endgame so it'd be pretty weird for it to be an interquel.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:23:33 AM

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#94508: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:23:02 PM

@Fighteer: Honestly, you should probably watch each movie once, for no other reason than filling in the holes and being able to make your own judgements; like whether or not the film stands on its own/adds anything of real value to the MCU (as usual, looking pointedly towards TIH).

As for Homecoming: Tony is definitely in full on recruitment mode. He would not have brought Peter to Germany if his skills or dedication were in doubt; Tony was mostly waiting for Peter to display the maturity, discipline and restraint he was clearly lacking in Germany, the dearth of which got Peter flattened in short order by combatants who knew what they were doing (once they adjusted to his abilities). Also, Tony's reality warping ego leads him to assume he can sand off any remaining rough edges in short order, and turn Peter into an Avenger practically overnight (we'll see).

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:23:49 AM

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#94509: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:27:05 PM

Also, Tony's reality warping ego leads him to assume he can sand off any remaining rough edges in short order, and turn Peter into an Avenger practically overnight (we'll see).

Isn't that the real tragedy of Infinity War, though? Tony is trying to build Peter up to become a mature hero capable of being a valuable addition to the Avengers. Tony's certainly right that Peter isn't ready — we see in Homecoming how much collateral damage he does purely by accident, and he's still got a lot to learn even by the end.

But what I mean is that Peter is so determined to be a hero that he flies off with Tony into space and then gets killed. I don't see how that's any kind of vindication at all — more of a condemnation of Tony's ego, which makes everything about him. This is the worst defeat he's ever faced, not personally, but in terms of the consequences to other people. I really hope he learns something from it in Endgame.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:29:11 AM

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#94510: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:27:53 PM

[up][up][up]Depends on how soon Far From Home is after Homecoming. If it's within the same year, it'd be fine. Thing about Far From Home is that it comes out later this year, and there have been rumors about a first trailer coming out really soon for the past couple weeks. Any Far From Home trailer would inherently spoil the ending of Endgame, regardless of how much it shows, unless it's explicitly set before Infinity War.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:28:08 AM

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#94511: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:28:56 PM

To be fair, Peter would have died if he stayed on Earth too.

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#94512: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:30:01 PM

Unless butterfly effect meant the Snapture would pass him over in that timeline.

But yeah, Peter's death has nothing to do with him following Tony into space.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:30:24 AM

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#94513: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:30:55 PM

I'm still going with my theory that the main Peter we'll follow in Far From Home is actually Ben Reilly.

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#94514: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:31:10 PM

I don't think it would.

I base this entirely on the fact that I've checked whether or not Thanos killed me multiple times hoping for a different answer and each time, no matter what day I look or what time of day it is, it gives me the same response. I died for the good of the universe.

Though I realize this may not be conclusive evidence. [lol]

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:31:29 AM

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#94515: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:31:54 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Like I said earlier, I know that there have been "leaked" trailers but there's nothing official that I've seen yet. Is Marvel going to hold it until after Endgame releases? They very well might.

[up][up][up] and [up][up][up][up]: Yeah, but then Tony wouldn't have known about it until much later. Peter literally falls to dust in his arms. You don't get much more immediate a consequence than that. This is Tony's ultimate fear, his greatest horror come true right in front of his eyes. How will that change him? If anything can change him, it's this.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:32:51 AM

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#94516: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:32:40 PM

Nick Fury is also in Far From Home, so it's possible for Far From Home to establish something fun that we didn't get to see in Infinity War but we will see in Endgame, if it's an interquel.

Or maybe it's just a typical Spider-Man low-stakes romp with very little connection to either Avengers movie, I still think it'd be better if a trailer established it was set before Infinity War so as to not spoil Endgame.

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#94517: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:34:07 PM

Eh, if the spoiler is that most of the named characters dusted in Infinity War have sequels with their names printed on them already greenlit and in production, that ship sailed. It sailed when Infinity War was released.

Infinity War achieved the distinguished honor of being its own Late-Arrival Spoiler. It's like if the second Star Wars film was "Star Wars: Vader Is Luke's Dad" and it was announced in production before the first Star Wars film even hit theaters. There's not much a trailer can spoil that isn't already spoiled by the existence of the film slate itself.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:36:17 AM

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#94518: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:38:24 PM

I mean, there's two years between Civil War and Infinity War, it's technically possible for Spider-Man 2, Black Panther 2, and Dr. Strange 2 to all take place in that window of time, and for all the rest of the future MCU movies to continue in a darker and grittier post-snap world.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:38:44 AM

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#94519: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:48:27 PM

Vulture is roughly tied with Killmonger for the best villain in the franchise for me, though I guess I'll have to reevaluate Kilgrave sometime.

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#94520: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:19:48 PM

I saw that Shane Black was mentioned and just wanna add that I also won't be watching any more of him. His friend is a literal pedophile (he tried to sleep with a thirteen year old relative) and he continued to stick him in his movies, then played the "Oh my gosh, I had no idea, I was just mislead about the situation" card when he was called out on it. Mislead? Really? More like you just didn't care.

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#94521: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:42:46 PM

[up] I believe he also cast him in a bit part in Iron Man 3, as one of the Mandarin's guards IIRC.

So yeah, that's pretty shitty.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:43:08 PM

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#94522: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:57:00 PM

Related to whether Peter would have died or not, nothing official, but I personally believe that most of the Titan team was erased as a purposeful gesture from Thanos and not random.

We've already seen Thanos is willing to fudge the numbers on his halving scale with the dwarves, and in the Infinity Gauntlet comic he specifically made sure his father was targeted with the snap to keep him from interfering with his plans.

So it'd make sense if, after getting the completed Gauntlet, he decided that the Titan team needed to be erased in almost its entirety considering they came very, very close to taking the Gauntlet in the first place. With the only exceptions being Stark (probably out of both honoring his arrangement with Strange and actual respect for Tony) and Nebula (who, if the "waste of parts" line and generally implied to be unfavorable treatment of are any indication, he probably didn't see as a big threat without the rest of the team).

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#94523: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:08:25 PM

Dying from a huge hunk of metal sticking out of his chest, barely able to muster the strength to raise his hand, needing to take three tries at his pre-genocide Badass Boast because of just how badly he's one foot in the grave, I have trouble seeing Thanos consciously directing any part of it.

Especially when it all takes place in the span of an instant.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:08:45 AM

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#94524: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:11:24 PM

I mean, given that "What did it cost?" scene takes place within that single moment of the snap, and the Time Stone is involved, it's not impossible that he did give a very complex order within that moment.

That being said, I don't think he did. I think the MCU snap was completely random except for probably excluding Thanos himself from it.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jan 12th 2019 at 1:12:19 PM

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#94525: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:23:53 PM

I actually think Thanos is deluded enough to actually include himself in the snap and just got lucky.

Actually, here's a thought. Everyone who got snapped had what they were wearing disappear along with them. If Thanos dusted himself, would that mean the Infinity Gauntlet and the Stones disappear along with him.

How much of a kick in the nuts would the ending to Infinity War have been if Thanos actually did disappear along with everyone else? There's no hope of using the Stones to reverse anything, no chance at actually getting revenge against Thanos for killing half the universe, and he gets to die happy knowing that his plan succeeded. Endgame certainly would be a different movie in that case.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 12th 2019 at 1:24:24 PM


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