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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94476: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:46:17 AM

[up]Oh please, not even Taika Waititi could pull off that kind of miracle.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#94477: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:56:35 AM

> She looked like she was in a pocket dimension of screams.

I don't recall this,all I recall is that Odin dies and basically tells them she's coming

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#94478: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:09:10 AM

[up] She was. One would wonder why she couldn't escape, given that the Valkyrie were sent to stop her and she easily defeated them. Oh well.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#94479: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:13:25 AM

His sons became wrecks, his wife died, his kingdom lies in shambles by the enemies he previously conquered, and he eventually gives his own life trying to prevent the return of his worst mistake

Maybe I missed this part in Ragnarok but it didn't seem like Odin "gave" anything.

Seems like he just let Loki run things while enjoying his final PDL's on Earth.

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#94480: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:14:42 AM

Near as I can tell, Odin died from Actor-Doesn't-Wanna-Be-Here-Anymore Syndrome. No further explanation is really given.

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#94481: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:29:01 AM

Maybe turning into pixie dust when you're old and tired and full of regret is just what Asgardians do. But yeah, it was a surprise when Hopkins even took the role in the first Thor, I'm not surprised he might be glad to devote his time elsewhere, given the chance. The guy is 80.

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#94482: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:38:35 AM

Him turning into pixie dust was probably so they didn't have a worry about Odin's corpse and the resulting "What do they do with their dead bodies?"

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#94483: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:56:06 AM

Sure, there's that. But if you put people in a mystically magical, awestruck, emotionally suggestible state, then you can just metaphor your way out of a potentially complicated situation and not have to think about it. A physical body means palpable grief, and Ragnarok wants to skip past that, as well as letting Sir Anthony off the hook. I don't blame them, and I think it works as well as it needs to.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94484: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:59:06 AM

"Even though he tried to change, his past imperialism still continued to haunt him"

Is hard to said that considering he still mantain the position of asgard as top dog which it got by said imperalism, is bad fathering that it got him more that is colonisnt past.

In fact is wife died by malekith and the dark elves because he didnt coudnt extremine all of them.

"All in all life became pretty shitty for him. "

Considering how long he have live "all is life" is and exagerantion

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94485: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:30:26 AM

I'll be honest here: The Thor franchise is such a mess narratively speaking, I don't care at this point. I am fine with it being great fun with a few melodramatic moment within. The Captain America and Black Panther franchise can handle the deep political themes.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94486: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:12:42 AM

[up]I will said the same, but it make ask why they bother with the theme after all since half of the movie is just funny thor and hulk hijinkis.

is funny how antman and the waps is the most honest movie about being a fun and inconsequencial romp

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#94487: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:17:25 AM

Remember that time in the first movie when Odin had a heart attack and died sort of because when he runs out of juice he just Odinsleeps to get it back?

Turning to pixie dust tells the audience that he's not going to wake up from his resurrective super-nap in the third act and go fix everything. He's dead dead for realsies.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:17:52 PM

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#94488: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:33:43 AM

[up]And yet he show up to Thor in dreams because.....I dont know, he is a jedi a this point, the movie dosent seen to give a fuck a this point.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94489: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:34:36 AM

[up][up][up] Maybe the director had something to say.

[up] Nor does the audience, to be honest.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:35:14 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94490: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:37:06 AM

[up]Maybe he have something to said but I dont think a comedy movie was the best place to it because when someone try to give a fuck, it just end confused like im right now.

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#94491: Jan 12th 2019 at 11:51:39 AM

That's not the only weird Asgard magic thing that falls apart if you squint at it too hard. So don't. It's all meant to be somewhat mysterious and beyond the ken of we mere mortals, so let it.

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#94492: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:18:40 PM

Okay, not a dimension of screams. But she does walk out of a green portal with weird stuff in it, I just assumed that was what her personal pocket dimension prison looked like on the inside.

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#94493: Jan 12th 2019 at 3:57:16 PM

Could be where she ended up if she isn't dead with the fall of Asgard.

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#94494: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:31:59 PM

Perhaps that is Hel? Which would be pretty interesting.

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#94495: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:49:15 PM

I finally watched Spider-Man: Homecoming tonight. Rather than paying $10 to buy the damn thing online (thanks Sony, for being greedy assholes!), I rented the DVD from my public library. It feels like I beat the system somehow, even though it's in an utterly mundane way.

This catches me up on the MCU, with the exception of the Hulk film(s), which I gather I didn't miss out on.

I don't think I need to tag spoilers, so let's just list impressions.

  • I love how they totally gloss over his origin story because, if you don't know it by now, you're a lost cause. Just an oblique reference to getting bitten by a spider.
  • Not as cringey as I was afraid it would be. Let's face it, I have awkward enough memories of my own high school days without having to watch someone else's. Fortunately they didn't go full on into Peter Parker humiliation mode.
  • Nice tease of Liz as the love interest, only to set up MJ for later.
  • I have to side with Peter on the Poor Communication Kills aspect of the film. If Tony had even the slightest understanding of his motivations, he wouldn't have left him hanging to mess up, but would have kept him in the loop. That said, I don't think that the FBI guys were going to be enough to stop Vulture's little deal on the ferry.
  • I love how the film ties into the rest of the MCU with the "street level" view of the people affected by it. DC could learn a thing or two from this. (*cough* BvS)
  • Vulture's a good villain. I like how his motivations are clearly established, he's got a family and interests to protect, just like Peter. The third act twist is great — I should have seen it coming and didn't in the slightest. Well played. The mid-credits scene ties the whole thing off: he does have honor.

Final bits spoiler tagged, just in case.

  • So, what, Tony actually does expect Peter to join the Avengers on the spot? Is he really that full of himself?
  • Aunt May knows his secret at the end. That's pretty unambiguous. That's a huge departure from the original franchise and I'm quite curious how it'll play out in the next film.

I keep seeing noise about the Far from Home trailer, but everything I can find online says it's unofficial and leaked. I really don't want to watch it like that...

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:52:35 AM

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#94496: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:51:38 PM

Tony Stark is not a humble person.

The only person with a comparable Ego is the fucking planet himself.

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Lost in Space
#94497: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:54:39 PM

Well yeah, but damn. I like Tony Stark as a character, but it's really hard to like Tony Stark as a person. I really hope we get some closure on his character in Endgame, assuming that's the last we'll see of him.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:55:13 AM

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#94498: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:55:06 PM

So, what, Tony actually does expect Peter to join the Avengers on the spot? Is he really that full of himself?

Probably also "We have exactly two other members. One of them is still slowly recovering from permanent injuries and the other's been in a depressed state ever since he screwed up and his girlfriend was jailed, so, beggars can't be choosers."

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 12th 2019 at 7:56:22 AM

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#94499: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:58:20 PM

I guess so. Still, that's a huge about-face for someone who was totally freaked out about recruiting a 15-year old a few days previously. It makes the early part of Infinity War a little bit weird continuity-wise, too. I got the impression that Stark didn't want to offer Parker the Avenger position, but I guess it was a deliberate bit of misdirection in case anyone hadn't watched Homecoming...

Something else occurred to me about the Vulture. Is this the first MCU villain who's been sent to prison at the end of the film? I think it may be. DC does that sort of thing all the time, and it's a grand tradition for the Spider-Man comics, but it's a rarity in the Marvel franchise films.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:59:57 AM

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#94500: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:59:47 PM

No, Justin Hammer and Trevor Slattery were jailed before him. Agents of SHIELD also says that Blonsky AKA Abomination is in a secure cell too. Vanko too, technically, but he broke out.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 12th 2019 at 8:00:38 AM


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