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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Whhich is neat for him....but Im arguing if he deserve it.
For me he cross the moral evident horizon with that, specially because after he dies thor and loki must deal with is unfinish buissnes and yet he still appear as short of wise figure for Odin.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
He suffered the consequences of his mistakes. His death is the culmination of all of them: keeping Hela sealed drained his lifeforce and lying to Loki his whole life rather than being honest with him bit him in the ass big time.
Odin paid for his mistakes, and owned up to them.
Redemption and forgiveness are not things you can earn. They can only be given.
Edited by M84 on Jan 12th 2019 at 5:56:10 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
You see....I dont belive it, Odin was king for asgard, manage to Plunder and destroy all realms and even when eh repent he sill mantain the power of asgard, Hela is something he should have said and he only provoke problem to everyone, also some of is dialogue turn very awfull after raganrok.
And redemption IS given and earned, more to be more clear: you can be given the change to redempt and I dont think he was given that change because nobody knew about is crime until it was to late for it.
He got away with is shit and them thor and loki have to deal with the fallout.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"One of the points of the movie is everyone finding out Odin's history only after his death. Whether Odin was actually a good person or not was kind of a minor mystery in the film, and it ended on an ambiguous note with Odin.
Also, a major point was that the reason Hela was sealed away is because Odin had a change of heart and she didn't want to change. The Valkyries chose Odin's side, to stop the colonization, and they almost all died to Hela for it.
As an aside, it's odd that people here claim that Hela was "the god of killing really well" and not really "the god of death" when she literally resurrected an undead army at one point. Like, that's pretty clear "god of death" powers right there.
I will guess my issue with is that Odin have a more calm death he should deserved for is misdeed, specially the fact Hela didnt actually kill him or talk with him and Thor and loki are to disconected of the whole drama to even metter.
I feel hela exist in part as pierce in WI: to critizce the "good chararter" without having to do so, is funny in that both Odin and Fury lack a eye.
It seen losing a eye make you shady in marvel universe.
Also, Hela used the flame so she cheat it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I really do wish that Hela survived Ragnarok. Without Asgard, she wouldn't be as strong, so she wouldn't be able to conquer other realms, but she could conquer one realm as her own: Hel.
...sure, we've never seen an afterlife in the MCU before, but bringing the MCU more in line with the comics would I think be more interesting. Plus, it would dovetail neatly with my theory that Thor will end up using the Soul Stone to make all of the dead Asgardians reincarnate in new bodies (hence how Loki can still be alive without time travel).
And then we can have the adventures of Kid Loki and Leah the Handmaiden.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 12th 2019 at 3:27:14 AM
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quite the contrary, there is much that can be said between the two, specially since Odin raise hela all her life, therefore, why she should change? isnt the power and wealth asgard enjoy thanks to her? why she should be forgotten while the other two brother squable over the kindom?.
and that is only what she could said to him.
I will said that in order to do that thor movie have to be invest more in 9 kindoms and that didnt happen.
Well considering she wants to kill/conquer everything, that's prolly a good reason why. There is nothing to be said when talking to a maniac. No justifications, no nothing, they know each other too well. Its all a given at this point.
When Thor basically enacted genocide on the Frost Giants Odin lost his shit & punished him accordingly and did the same to Loki after he went crazy.
Sure he may not be the best parent & was partially responsible for said rampages but at least he tried to stop the warning signs.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2019 at 3:43:01 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."His sons became wrecks, his wife died, his kingdom lies in shambles by the enemies he previously conquered, and he eventually gives his own life trying to prevent the return of his worst mistake.
All in all life became pretty shitty for him.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2019 at 4:20:32 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Honestly, Ragnarok might make The Dark World better in hindsight because it makes "Odin fucked up and now a past enemy of his is out for revenge" a consistent theme across the whole series.
She looked like she was in a pocket dimension of screams.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 12th 2019 at 7:32:42 AM

if she is allow to that at least adress it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"