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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94427: Jan 11th 2019 at 9:00:16 PM

I can buy that happening at some point before here.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#94428: Jan 11th 2019 at 9:02:00 PM

Why did Thanos decide to celebrate an Earth holiday again?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94429: Jan 11th 2019 at 9:03:56 PM

Because it was a Christmas Special.

Also, Thanos has a fixation with Earth for some reason. He had a base there many years ago (it was the reason why he had killed Drax's family back when Drax was simply Arthur Douglass — he thought they saw him land and he didn't want any witnesses, so he sent an energy blast out to kill them).

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#94430: Jan 11th 2019 at 9:05:04 PM

[up]That's something Bendis came up with, Thanos never really cared about Earth, he has bigger fish to fry.

[up]x5 I do, as a matter of fact: Bucky was never really all that beloved or remembered from TFA, it was Steve and Peggy's relationship that was the focus.

While TWS certainly benefited from having the whole backstory already established, with some editing that brief flashback is plenty for me to see why Bucky means so much to Cap.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 11th 2019 at 2:06:55 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94431: Jan 11th 2019 at 9:09:52 PM

That's something Bendis came up with, Thanos never really cared about Earth, he has bigger fish to fry.
Um, no, that isn't something Bendis came up with at all. Thanos had a base on Earth and that's how Drax's family (and Drax himself until he was resurrected) died. In fact, Thanos has returned again and again to Earth, fighting against Iron Man and the Avengers. Why? Because Earth tends to have something he wants. Hence his fixation on it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#94432: Jan 11th 2019 at 11:39:34 PM

Since someone mentioned they didn't remember the skydiving scene, and no-one linked it, I might as well:

Most of this scene was shot practically, with real trained skydivers.

Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#94433: Jan 11th 2019 at 11:43:42 PM

No, no. It should be Life Day that Thanos celebrates!

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#94434: Jan 11th 2019 at 11:52:06 PM

[up][up][up][up] Depends. I was pretty fond of Bucky in TFA, but it does help that I had already read the Winter Soldier series of comics beforehand.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94435: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:09:39 AM

As a non-comic book reader, I really connected with Bucky in the first Avenger. I can even tell you exactly when I fell in love with him so to speak: The bar scene. Everything about it is perfect, him saying that he wouldn't follow Captain America but would follow Steve Rogers, and then Peggy turning up and basically ignoring him, thus switching the entire dynamic between him and Steve around. A lesser man would have had trouble to deal with the notion that he is no longer the "strong protector" in the duo, but Bucky is just shrugging it off. I would marry him in a second for this attitude alone!

Let's put this one directly on the list of top 10 moments of Bucky...the other nine are: Bucky and Rocket, every Bucky and Sam scene (from him grabbing away his steering wheel to them being all proud over Steve's flirting), Bucky and Steve fleeing the Hydra facility, Bucky standing in front of the display about his own live (my heart goes out to him every time...the look in his eyes!!!..excellent acting!), his first appearance as Winter Soldier, The scene when Pierce mind-wipes him (there is something about the way he accepts the bit), him rescuing Steve at the end of Winter soldier, Him protecting Steve during his first appearance and the scene when he falls.

Also shout out to "This you protect" Bucky.

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:52:41 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94436: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:34:29 AM

[up]I will said Bucky is a chararter I have rather fond of in how complex he is, what I liked the most is the twist he kill stark parent and....bucky dosent deny it, he dosent go into this "it wasnt me" ot make him not guilty, it was really is fault and he have to live with it, im wonder if stark could ever forgive him or cap(in my opinion he shoudnt).

In fact, I will said yous hould put the moment when he analysise is fighting style and give payback as oen of the best iron man moment, is almost a reference of sherlock homes(almost).

Anyway, a show with valyre will be good...as long they dont reference her past, everything there is a mindfield after ragnarok.

Now a bucky and falcon show? yeah,please.

And about Wakanda, I will guess is because there is mix feeling for simple reason: is a wish fulliment for black people but it goes with a rather utopian notion of a isolionaism country and both are kinda odds with each other. Especially since the later are rather behind the time socialy and are usually bigoted and racist.

It dosent help that the movie after black panther dealing with this is infinty war, in which Tchalla have to help some foreginers by reciving....a outside invasion to their land(literaly at outside invasion).

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#94437: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:41:58 AM

Comics Wakanda is a bit more nuanced. One of the more recent runs in BP even addresses the question of whether a monarchy is compatible with a modern nation. It ends with T'Challa deciding to step down (though he's still a religious leader as the Panther God's champion) and Wakanda becoming a democracy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94438: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:44:20 AM

The nation is also under constant civil war & strife.

The people there cannot get along with each other & despise anyone from the outside.

Poor Vibraxas Master of Vibrations.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:45:22 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#94439: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:46:15 AM

Anyway, a show with valyre will be good...as long they dont reference her past, everything there is a mindfield after ragnarok.

I'm curious what you mean by this.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#94440: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:48:27 AM

Yeah, her past consisted of spending what was presumably thousands of years getting shit-faced and doing mercenary work (so she can afford to get shit-faced).

Not much of a "minefield".

Edited by M84 on Jan 13th 2019 at 4:48:39 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94441: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:49:30 AM

The whole working for the Grandmaster stuff I assume.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:54:49 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94442: Jan 12th 2019 at 12:56:09 AM

It's not really bucky's fault that he killed Tony's parents, but he was the one who did it, so he will always have to live with what he did. But it is not his fault. Nothing he did under Hydra's influence is.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94443: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:10:53 AM

[up][up]Yup, she work with the grandmaster in is system of opresion and slavery...make her at black woman slaver....you can see the issue with that.

And even worst she was part of a female force that defend Odin...the imperalistic colonizer and warmonger and we are suposed to feel bad because they get gun down by hela who jusr did the same shit odin did until he change is mind for some unexplain reason.

When I said mindfield is thar ragnarok is pretty much Karma houdini: the movie, Odin got sympathy, so Valkyre even she work for the grandmaster and odin and Loki.

Like I said, a damn mindfield.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94444: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:30:46 AM

So she's a black woman formerly involved in some unsavory acts.

So? Like I don't see how that's minefield, people from all walks of life have done terrible stuff since the dawn of time.

Its what happens when you have free will.

Shit it adds complexity to her, she's a flawed human being or Asgardian in this case.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2019 at 1:31:19 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94445: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:35:56 AM

[up]There is unsavatory act and there is "the kind of stuff would make you the villian in every other movie"

specially since the movie kinda fail to adress the part she is help the same system the movie is trying to crtizice.

nuance is good and I dont mind that, but that isnt the point.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94446: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:37:36 AM

She was stranded alone on an alien planet, she had to find work somewhere.

Its a very grey area work but shit ya gotta put food on the table somehow.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#94447: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:38:57 AM

It doesn't need to be a major focus, but an episode or two could explore the more unsavory things she did to earn drinking money. Maybe have it come back to haunt her in the form of a vengeful ex-slave gladiator.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#94448: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:41:47 AM

Hell it could even shed more light on what Asgard and the 9 Realms were like in the great war.

It be pretty fun, some good old war & conquest. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94449: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:43:18 AM

[up][up][up]Good for her, back for the poor fucker she is slaving and delivering to granmaster who is a caligula.

[up][up]I dont bet my money on it, Marvel is not keen of running that kind of "I did unsavatory thing in the past" kind of chararter.

I mean look black widow, almost ten years and we still dont know what awfull thing she did before.

Edited by unknowing on Jan 12th 2019 at 5:43:40 AM

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94450: Jan 12th 2019 at 1:43:52 AM

Honestly, other characters have done worse. And why shouldn't a black actress be allowed to play this kind of character?


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