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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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That’s the thing, that’s the thing.
To him making them into weapons is an act of genuine love.
Hell I can believe that Nebula’s punishments were for more for her specifically than as a punishment for his children in general. Because she was so weak, he thought mutilating her was just him giving her a pep talk.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:11:10 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Yeah, I'm not sure where they got "Vibranium mutated them into super geniuses" came from, but it wasn't part of the movie.
But he only loves Gamora — he doesn't love any of his other "children" or else he would have been able to sacrifice them instead of Gamora.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:12:18 AM
It was never a thing, even in the comics.
Hell unlike Adamantium, I have never once heard of Vibranium poisoning.
His sadness over Maw’s indicates he did care for them & he never sacrificed them because it wasn’t until recently as that’s Gamora told him what to do.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:13:37 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."It's not even in the comics, for crying out loud.
If Vibranium mutated anything, it was the Heart-shaped Herb that is the source of the Black Panther powers.
Of course, the comics make it more complicated since the Black Panther powers are also partly due to the blessing of the Panther God.
Edited by M84 on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:13:43 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe plotline of Thanos and Gamora's relationship falls flat for me because it's really rushed. They have basically just 3 scenes together to flesh out what is supposed to be a moment as huge as Steve realizing Bucky is the Winter Soldier. But due to having cram in Thanos getting the Soul Stone ASAP amid 3 other plotlines, it really doesn't get the room it needs to grow.
Gamora weeping in grief when she thinks she's killed Thanos is a moment that could've been darkly truthful if we saw why she's torn about him. I've been there when it comes to having mixed feelings about friends and family, people who have been formative but also abusive. But without any glimpse of what their life together was like, it feels sudden and out of place. Had we seen why she had a bit of lingering affection for him, it would've been bought better that Thanos also had genuine appreciation for her.
To quote Film Crit Hulk again, it's like if the movie Up opened with Carl after his wife's death. It's harder to care if we didn't experience their life's journey of joy and pain first.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:13:37 AM
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And once again they should have kept that damn deleted scene.
Even if it wasn’t much it still showed a time when the two were actually civil with each other.
He’s a parent who has given up on their child, such a tragedy.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:15:46 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."@wolfofthewest: Forgive me if I think that your logic is rather racist, assuming that "Africans are every bit as smart and capable as Europeans, but they need white people's help in order to even think about being on their level."
As others have said, Wakandans are as smart as anybody, no mutations necessary. They used vibranium as the foundation for their society, but there's every indication that all scientific and societal advancements they made, they discovered and implemented on their own, as normal human beings.
Granted, Wakanda isn't the most realistic fictional nation, but again, this is meant to be an escapist fantasy, with the super-advanced society elements having been added by Black authors, for what I assume to be the benefit of a Black audience.
Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jan 11th 2019 at 11:19:31 AM
Oh God! Natural light!
Uh, they started with basic vibranium tools, like that pickaxe from the museum, and developed their use of the metal over time. It’s incredibly insulting to suggest that development was only possible cause the vibranium made them smart. It also has zero textual evidence.
I’ll also note you went on at length about trade, and hand waved my pointing out Asgardians, but you didn’t address how it’s okay for Tony and Bruce to be geniuses across multiple unrelated fields of study, and to an extent which is incredibly unrealistic. So yeah, I’m not buying your argument.
Yup.
Edited by wisewillow on Jan 11th 2019 at 11:23:29 AM
Wakanda's entirely realistic — like many real life nations, it got a leg up on other nations due to being lucky with natural resources.
It's just that the resource in question has a lot of applications. And they had a long time to figure out those applications through trial and error and experimentation.
Edited by M84 on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:22:21 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedHonestly, I don't think you need to show their relationship in detail for the audience to know it exists: Gamora crying when she thought she had killed Thanos, his far more casual and relaxed atitude around her on the ship, they're all hints of a deeper relationship, and the movie gives them enough for me to picture what it was like.
It's like that Hemingway quote:"You only need to see the tip to know the rest of the iceberg is there".
Edit: As for Wakanda, in the Ultimes (the animation, not the comics), they did reverse engineer Chitauri tech, besides the mountain range of Vibranium they were sitting on top of.
A detail I could take or leave, as at the end of the day, the reason Wakanda is so advanced is simply good luck and a ton of effort.
Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 11th 2019 at 1:28:42 PM
Honestly, I think with this sentence this debate should be finished. Hard for anyone to engage in any sort of debate when this sort of absurd, self-aggrandizing snide remark is being thrown around.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I would also recommend reading How to Invent Everything by Ryan North, because it really illustrates the fact that humans could have invented many, many things before they were invented, they just didn't have the best luck or resources or, you know, wrote anything down in order to preserve it for future generations. Hell, the fact that oranges cured scurvy was something that was learned, forgotten, and rediscovered by Europeans eight times before it stuck around. (The book describes it as "a comedy or errors, only not funny.")
Wakandans, having much better natural resources and much more time to learn about them, had a bigger advantage, but they still have the same brains as other humans.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:37:27 AM
Obvious troll is obvious. I'm shutting that down.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Hell, first steam machine was invented by the Greeks, and just how many modern inventions were first conceptualized by Leonardo Da Vinci?
I also belive I've read about this lady from the early 20th century who invented the basis for the modern wi-fi, but no one knew how to put it into practice.
Edit: Okay, Steam-Guy was Roman, not Greek, but the point stands.
Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 11th 2019 at 1:43:20 PM
Yeah, seventy-odd years of relative stability has brought us from black-and-white televisions and rotary phones to HD computers that fit in your pocket. I don't really find the idea that a thousand if not several thousand years of conquest-free isolation could shelter and nurture a small scientific community so hard to believe.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:48:38 AM
Let me put it this way: would Steve Roger's tearful reunion with Peggy in her old age had been as emotionally impacting if we hadn't had seen their relationship throughout The First Avenger? Or Steve's shock at discovering what HYDRA has made Bucky? If all we had of his relationships with them were their brief flashback appearances in The Winter Soldier, would we still be begging Marvel to find some way to let them have a happy reunion?
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 11th 2019 at 8:54:26 AM

That's where your entire thesis collapses. Wakandans are not mutants, and Vibranium has not mutated them. They just found a extremely rare metal and learned to work with it as the years passed. It's the same as medieval Europe learning to work with steel because Europe is sitting on top of a ridiculous amount of steel, geographically.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."