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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
What if Nebula seizes the Infinity Gauntlet? Comic book readers would stain their pants.
Edited to add: Also, I'm not so sure that Endgame will feature Thanos' defeat as its climax. A part of me harbors a suspicion that he won't even be the main villain. I could be wrong, of course.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 10th 2019 at 2:59:46 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Gamora is most definitely not fridged. Fridging is not just killing a woman, it's the case when a woman is killed and put on display specifically to hurt the hero. That was not the case. Disposable Woman is the trope you're looking for here.
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:01:38 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianDisposable Woman: A female character, typically the wife, sweetheart or occasionally the mother or daughter of the protagonist, who is present in the story just so that she can be either kidnapped by the bad guy...
The bolded part is absolutely not the case here. Gamora is way more significant than that. I really think that there's some projection going on here, like trying to enforce a standard that killing a female character is never acceptable no matter the circumstances.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 10th 2019 at 3:01:42 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Gamora absolutely is fridged. All "Stuffed in the Fridge" means is that a character (usually female) is killed off (usually gruesomely) in a way that causes the male hero lots of manpain. The point of their deaths is that it's used a plot device — their deaths serve not their own character (they aren't going off in a Heroic Sacrifice), but rather another character.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:05:26 PM
Gamora is a plot device in this movie, plain and simple. She doesn't have her own character arc — her purpose is to die and cause angst. That's being Stuffed in the Fridge.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:06:10 PM
Dude, the very first sentence on the trope page literally says
Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean that one has to warp the facts.
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:07:39 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianI think the issue is the meta-level Chickification of the character. We know that Gamora is a badass, we do get to see it sometimes, but not as often as it seems like we should overall.
The scene taken in isolation is executed well, it makes sense, but it still feels like Gamora didn't really get any big moments that were all her own, despite confronting Thanos being what her whole arc has been leading up to. The moment ends up being about Thanos's sacrifice and Peter's pain. And she doesn't really even get to speak for herself much during that time — it's very much Thanos leading her around and showing her the extent to which he's already won.
Edited by Unsung on Jan 10th 2019 at 1:14:13 PM
I don't see that written anywhere on the page. And examples aren't always an argument, there are plenty of trope misuses around here. The fact is, the main point of fridging is causing the hero anguish. Had Thanos murdered Gamora sadistically just to spite Peter, then yes, that is fridging. Killing her under tears and NOT rubbing it into anybodys face? Is not.
If it is any consolation, I used to think of the trope the same way. I remember 1 year back or so, when Tess from Agents of Shield was killed. And she was even put on display. But it still didn't count as fridging, as it also wasn't done specifically to cause somebody anguish. It was just an execution.
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:12:10 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianI'm gonna suggest not getting bogged down in what is or isn't fridging. Like Mary Sue, it's a semantic debate that's just going to go round and round forever.
Edited by Unsung on Jan 10th 2019 at 1:13:51 PM
Very few of the heroic characters have arcs in Infinity War. Gamora has more than most, as she comes to the realization that her father truly loves her, even if it's a warped fashion. No, the primary arc in the film is Thanos', and if you're going to twist Stuffed into the Fridge to include the character killing their own daughter/lover, then the trope no longer has any useful meaning.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Eh, Quill is Quill. I love him as a character while still experiencing frustration at his actions. His heroic moment in Infinity War is when Gamora makes him carry through with his promise to shoot her. He also comes up with the plan that nearly defeats Thanos. Sure, he's obnoxious and childish, but that's core to his character. You may not like those attributes, but be careful not to conflate dislike with a judgment as to the quality of his writing.
Part of good writing is establishing character traits and then maintaining their consistency over time, while allowing for them to develop. If there is any legitimate criticism of GotG 2, it is that the characters forget a lot of the lessons they learned about working together as a family so they can undergo more drama.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 10th 2019 at 3:19:49 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Quill is the Butt-Monkey of the Guardians, The Heart, and also their leader. It's an interesting dynamic. He has no powers and modest skills, but he still manages to be the centerpiece of the story.
Also, while I was never rooting for Thanos, I have respect for his commitment to his cause. He beats the Avengers because he is willing to make sacrifices that they are not. Whether this is a good thing is not the point — obviously he's morally wrong. But he comes to prove a point and he carries through with that promise, something few other characters can say, never mind villains.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Hey, Aesop Amnesia isn't just a thing that happens in episodic television. People, especially weak-willed and kind of stupid criminals like the Guardians, often take a few tries before the lessons really start to sink in.
About the fridging discussion - the original Women in Refrigerators site listed female characters who'd been killed/injured/depowered, in a way that is primarily about serving male character arcs.
Whether what we're talking about conforms to a trope definition or not, the complaint of "I don't the trend of female characters being used primarily to further the character development of male characters" is a valid criticism. You could argue that male characters are used for this purpose to, and that it's a function of who the protagonist is in a story, but when you're in a film industry landscape where the majority of protagonists are male, and the most prominent female characters are often secondary... this is what ends up happening.
Edited by Pseudopartition on Jan 10th 2019 at 2:26:19 PM

Drax too. Clearly the three of them need to do a big fancy spiraling team drill attack that pierces through Thanos's chest.
(Realistically speaking, I'm betting on the main Avengers "defeating" him, and Nebula executing him afterward, probably with her own death occuring as well.)
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!