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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#94001: Jan 9th 2019 at 1:40:44 PM

To be honest, I am somewhat annoyed a the SJW and Anti SJW nonsense that goes on the internet but that is a topic for another time.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94002: Jan 9th 2019 at 1:56:26 PM

Yeah, I don't see what's so bad about Ao S Season 3 latter half either. Hive was a great Antagonist, the best after Aida.

My least liked Arc of Ao S would be the Ghost Rider pod of Season 4 (especially compared to the rest of Season 4, which was by far the best the show had to offer yet).

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#94003: Jan 9th 2019 at 2:32:49 PM

In its first 24hrs Captain Marvel ranked third for Marvel pre sale tickets behind Infinity War and Black Panther[1] on Fandango.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94005: Jan 9th 2019 at 2:59:22 PM

She's also a writer for the Black Widow movie, which is nice.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94006: Jan 9th 2019 at 3:20:53 PM

Sounds like they liked her work. Good sign.

Regarding Ao S season 3: The problem with the backhalf is that it starts a little bit slow for Ao S, it has with the watchdog episode one of those rare episodes which mostly feel like filler, and it is just slower paced that the first half, which is just overall better.

"Bad" is always relative with Ao S. A show which is so good gets judged harder on the rare off-moments.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94007: Jan 9th 2019 at 3:29:28 PM

I disagree with Hive being good, he suffer a lot of just standing there and feeling threating, I mean we see feed, he see him killing Malick daugther(Of course...there is too much Ward there) and....that it, it dosent really feel he does much of anything, he was too pasive the whole time.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94008: Jan 9th 2019 at 3:48:29 PM

I don't really think that a villain needs to do a ton of on-screen killing to be threatening. On the contrary, I think most of the time that is more cheap shock value than anything else. His swaying ability made him pretty darn threatening in my eyes, especially how he turned Daisy against her friends.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 9th 2019 at 12:50:49 PM

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#94009: Jan 9th 2019 at 3:58:13 PM

Not to be combative but I don't see much difference between "they moved on [from the Inhumans]" and "the Inhuman storyline came to an end." My point is still that AOS and the MCU aren't focusing on them anymore and their future in the MCU is uncertain.

[up](10)AOS is worth watching, but Season 4 didn't strike me as brilliant. I think it mostly gets brownie points for its alt-right satire in the third arc. If that's your thing in these depressing times, great.

Season 3 is my favorite season after Season 2 and I cannot accept your existence in light of your self-proclaimed hatred for the former.

Edited by Soble on Jan 9th 2019 at 4:00:46 AM

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#94010: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:03:07 PM

Wait, wait, wait..... they're making a Vision & Scarlet Witch TV series?!

This announcement majorly spoils some of Endgame 's outcome...

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#94011: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:05:14 PM

I thought it was Loki and Scarlet Witch?

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#94012: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:09:34 PM

Foren: while true I think a villian need to strike victory to feel threating, otherwise is your villian being there pretending to be spooky and important.

See Kasius for example.

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#94013: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:12:05 PM

I don't really get why Hive is so popular either. He's established to be a powerful threat, and yet in a meta sense I get what unknowing is saying about him feeling too passive — it feels like he spends too much time hovering offscreen not actually doing much, and then when we finally get around to his big Matrix-style fight with Daisy, it feels kind of perfunctory and detached from most of the things that led up to it. Season 3 takes a lot of what seemed to be its ongoing plots and relationships and cast them aside in favour of making Hive the avatar of all of them — Grant Ward, Hydra, the kind of "original sin" of the Kree in creating the Inhumans, etc. And there might have been a way that could have all come together, in an extremely stylized, epic fantasy, Dragon Ball Z sort of way, but it just didn't cohere for me. It felt artificial, and kind of sluggish pacing-wise.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 9th 2019 at 5:23:16 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94014: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:16:15 PM

Well I do admit, that Hive was initially teased to be much more powerful than he actually ended up being. I mean during "4,722 Hours", you got an outright Eldritch Abomination vibe, with him being constantly in the shadow as this scary boogeyman, who was also able to control the weather shape entire landscapes to his will.

That didn't really appear again once he was on Earth (maybe it was a Maveth-only thing?). But then again, as I'v said, his swaying ability saved a lot for me, and I just loved Brett Dalton's performance. It was very different from Ward and extremely creepy (especially during the first few episodes, where he was in that skinny, injured zombie-like state).

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 9th 2019 at 1:17:37 PM

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#94015: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:16:42 PM

Na, there are three series last I counted, one for Loki, one for Scarlet which and one for Bucky and Falcon...I especially look forward to the latter!

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#94016: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:26:16 PM

I kind of liked the concept of Ward's body being the vessel, but I didn't like how it happened. That also felt a bit too artificial in how the writers put the pieces into play, creating Rosalind just so Coulson could fall in love with her just so he'd be the one to kill Ward but only after Ward had served his purpose one last time which then just so happened to put him on the evil planet. There must have been a more natural sequence of events for that, seriously. And it really should have been Daisy killing him the first time anyway.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 9th 2019 at 6:06:32 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#94017: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:29:45 PM

Well I honestly think nobody should have killed him. He should have taken his own life. That would have been a more fitting end, seeing how he already tried that back in Season 2, and there would have been no need for Coulson to become that dark (cause really, no matter what you might think of Ward, his execution was not portrayed in a good light. That cracking sound still gets to me *shudders*).

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#94018: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:31:20 PM

Well, ideally less of an execution, more of an actual showdown with him and Daisy. Although I do kind remember liking the idea that Ward doesn't get a big final battle, that he doesn't rate high enough for that. It's just that I feel like turning his body into Hive kind of undermines that anyway. Or maybe it's just having the reveal come so soon after they get back.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 9th 2019 at 5:32:40 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#94019: Jan 9th 2019 at 4:44:43 PM

Well I honestly think nobody should have killed him. He should have taken his own life.
Oh, Ward is way too narcissistic to take his own life. Why take his own life if he thinks he did nothing wrong? Even when he becomes a true Hydra believer in the end, he still believes he's important.

His death was narratively important, but also super satisfying.

So of course they brought him back.

Although I do kind remember liking the idea that Ward doesn't get a big final battle, that he doesn't rate high enough for that.
Yeah, Ward kind of reminds me of Lindsey from Angel, who always thought that he was Angel's arch-enemy and it turned out...nope, Angel didn't care enough to even kill him, he had Lorne do it.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 9th 2019 at 4:48:46 AM

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#94020: Jan 9th 2019 at 5:00:25 PM

I'm just cheesed off that they wrote off Victoria Hand so quickly. And only partly because I found her actress attractive in that role.

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#94021: Jan 9th 2019 at 5:05:33 PM

[up] There's always Deep Blue Sea to watch her in.

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#94022: Jan 9th 2019 at 5:36:15 PM

To be fair that isnt surprising, Garret suffer the same fate even when he was more terrifing villian: he got caught monologing(I can almost hear frozone laughing in the background) so DEATHLOK kill him from behind, and them got a very whedon "haha, no" moment in the end.

Aliterator: I find that weird saying he didnt get a high end when he die IN ANOTHER planet after finally getting Coulson mad, the entire episode is a switch of roles: Coulson become selfish, unfocus and obsess in a petty vendetta while Ward end becoming something bigger than itself, the only problem is frigging Rosalie for that.

As for Hive....And Issue I have with him is that they beat him to much: Lash amost rip him apart, he got damaged by Yoyo and Mack trap and he only win against Daisy is because he regenerates.

So he suffer a Esque ultron problem of having creepy aura but being undermind by the results.

That is why leopold fitz(or the Doctor) is my favorite villian.

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#94023: Jan 9th 2019 at 5:39:44 PM

My favourite's Cal, but we should probably move this to the AOS thread if we're gonna keep going.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#94024: Jan 9th 2019 at 5:46:17 PM

I through Aida in the ring beforehand, though.

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#94025: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:54:07 PM

I thought it was Loki and Scarlet Witch?

Loki will have his own separate show. Vision and Wanda will be co-leads on a show of their own.


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