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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93826: Jan 5th 2019 at 3:58:09 AM

Just in case you need to get even more pumped for Endgame, here a really awesome compilation of the last ten years.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#93827: Jan 5th 2019 at 4:02:10 PM

Aside from the rushed and weak third act, I thought TFA was definitely in the running for one of the best MCU films by the end of Phase 2.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93828: Jan 5th 2019 at 4:10:35 PM

The first Avenger is still my favourite Origin movie, edging out Ironman 1. Yes, the third act is weak, but it sticks the landing...or doesn't in the case of Steve. The goodbye and him waking up in the future is still getting to me every single time.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93829: Jan 5th 2019 at 4:14:23 PM

Cap really knows how to bring on the feels.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93830: Jan 5th 2019 at 4:38:35 PM

The first two acts and the ending (as in, the part where he drops the plane all the way to him waking up in the modern day) are great.

The third act and the final battle, however, are so damn terrible I always just skip on re-watches, the only good part being "Let's go find two more".

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93831: Jan 5th 2019 at 7:33:38 PM

Bucky's death always gets me, too. I especially love the symbolism of Cap sitting in the bar in which he used to celebrate, by now bombed out, trying to get drunk but not being able to.

Hell, I don't even mind the montage, my only complain is that I would have loved to see more of Cap's war adventures…

Also: "You are failing!!!!!"

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#93832: Jan 5th 2019 at 7:59:35 PM

They fought to the last man!

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#93833: Jan 5th 2019 at 8:15:04 PM

The First Avenger is a good movie. The problems in the second act come down a lack of true obstacles between Cap rescuing the soldiers and the assault on the Red Skull’s base. So the film is left stalling for time in between, resorting to creating a bunch of sudden minor conflicts (oh no, Peggy thinks Cap is cheating! oh no, Cap’s friend died!) that are quickly resolved and have no real bearing on the climax.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 5th 2019 at 8:15:39 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#93834: Jan 5th 2019 at 8:35:55 PM

That whole "Steve gets kissed by crazy lady and Peggy doesn't like it" sideplot makes me cringe every time.

Ignoring for a moment how everybody suddenly became stupid and immature highschoolers in the middle of WWII, Peggy suddenly shooting a gun at Steve and Howard for the sake of a Woman Scorned joke is such a violation of every safety protocol ever that I question how she became an officer. Especially in 1943 where there were undoubtedly male superiors watching like hawks for her to display any sign of emotional compromisability.

It's my only real major beef with the movie.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jan 5th 2019 at 11:39:55 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#93835: Jan 5th 2019 at 9:39:20 PM

I don't like it either. It's weirdly sexist and contrived, and then gets resolved in two seconds of a montage. Like I said, it was clearly just inserted to buy time.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 5th 2019 at 9:39:53 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93836: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:16:00 AM

It was indeed a tremendously stupid moment that made no sense.

I'm wondering, could Contest of Champions work as a movie or something?

Cause I'm thinking it be interesting if they could pull off a tournament-styled epic.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93837: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:36:07 AM

The Grandmaster called his gladiator games in Thor: Ragnarok his "Contest of Champions."

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#93838: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:36:54 AM

Contest of Champions seems like it should be a show format. I don't really see how it could work as a movie.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93839: Jan 6th 2019 at 12:47:20 AM

[up][up] Huh Mythology Gag.

[up] Considering they are planning movie-level TV shows, it could work.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93840: Jan 6th 2019 at 2:46:27 AM

Yeah, the scene with Peggy shooting at Cap is the only one I don't like...otherwise, I actually don't think that the third act is that bad, it is just that the first two acts are so strong that it looks worse than it is.

And I still think that Weaving doesn't really "get" The Red Scull….

But otherwise perfect casting, I like the sepia tones they use to create the nostalgic feel and the soundtrack is one of my favs in the MCU.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93841: Jan 6th 2019 at 4:04:21 AM

Only saw the movie once and probably won't again. Just too much cliche and hooray patriotism in it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93842: Jan 6th 2019 at 4:34:54 AM

[up] It's actually a clever deconstruction of patriotism...showing the dog and pony show Cap is starring in and then showing the cold reality of war is one of the more clever moves of the movie.

I HATED Captain America before I saw this movie. He is now my favourite Avenger. By far!

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93843: Jan 6th 2019 at 5:37:20 AM

Honestly, i even like the third act, because is campy as fuck.

Yeah, it is objectively weaker than the character study the movie pulled up until that point.

Once the Skull is dealt with, it returns to being a character movie that really pulls the heartstrings.

And the v-day montage if Cap's friends and his legacy really cements the Icon he would become going forward.

Its because of that montage that I feel the waking in modern times, despite being yet another great character moment, is akwardly placed in the final prodcut.

I've long held the theory that the scene after the defrosting was the original stinger, and the movie was conceived to end in the v-day montage, because the kids playing with the trashcan shield kinda transitions into the old-timey propaganda credits rather well.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93844: Jan 6th 2019 at 5:52:00 AM

[up] As far as I know, it was supposed to be the stinger, but I guess they were too afraid that two many people would miss the mid-credit scene and leave the theatre thinking Cap died.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93845: Jan 6th 2019 at 6:16:20 AM

So I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm the only one who thought the joke with Peggy and the shield was funny?

...okay, let me take cover before stoning me, would ya?

Personally, part of the reason I like TFA is the contrast it has with TWS. First time I watched I didn't really thought much of it, but after I saw just how much the whole "Man out of Time" thing was affecting Cap, suddenly I had a new appreciation for the movie.

It made it rather bittersweet, seeing him on his golden age and knowing just how much he'd lose by the end of it all. Kinda like seeing a once star boxer old and frail at the end of his career.

It's one of the advantages of long-form storytelling, I suppose. Age of Ultron is a much better movie now that I have all the answers it first asked.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93846: Jan 6th 2019 at 6:36:21 AM

True...Age of Ultron is way better in context because the fall out becomes so important later on. It doesn't improve the movie in itself, but it makes it a stronger part of the MCU...if that makes sense.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93847: Jan 6th 2019 at 9:35:51 AM

[up][up] I also like the joke. Peggy, Steve and Howard have great chemistry and delivery in all their shared scenes.

Edited by MrSeyker on Jan 6th 2019 at 9:37:20 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93848: Jan 6th 2019 at 10:02:06 AM

It's less the joke which bothers me, it is the lead up to it. It is such an overdone trope.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#93849: Jan 6th 2019 at 10:18:52 AM

It doesn't even make sense for her character. Throughout the res of the film, both before and after, she knows full well that he's awkward when talking to women. And she seems to find it kind of charming and understands it. Yet here, she sees this and automatically assumes the worst and doesn't even let him try to explain.

Then of course she does the incredibly dangerous thing of shooting a gun at him in a room full of other people as well.

And then, it's forgotten about immediately afterwards and never brought up again and things go back to normal.

It was just an unnecessary pointless thing that made them both look bad, especially her, for no reason. And it was out of place as well.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#93850: Jan 6th 2019 at 10:21:49 AM

How does it make him look bad?


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