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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#93726: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:48:21 AM

And besides she’s no Darkseid.

Well, of course not.

She doesn't need a math equation to conquer worlds.smile

Edited by windleopard on Jan 4th 2019 at 2:55:34 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#93727: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:49:08 AM

That makes him sound like a huge massive dork

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93728: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:50:36 AM

[up][up] He’s already doing that on his own.

The equation is just a personal goal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93729: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:51:54 AM

[up][up] Darkseid is a huge massive dork.

Also, Hela is the best and would beat up everybody, period, the end.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93730: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:53:40 AM

Well she definitly got her ass-kicked by her brother.

And he didn’t even have a hammer. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#93731: Jan 4th 2019 at 3:01:55 AM

I don't know what movie you watched Slimcoder, but Thor didn't even gave her a scratch.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93732: Jan 4th 2019 at 3:02:59 AM

Huh all right.

Man a year later and I barely remember shit.

Doesn’t help I’m not really giving this much thought.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 4th 2019 at 3:03:53 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#93733: Jan 4th 2019 at 3:03:05 AM

Yeah,that was the fire dude who destroyed everything

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93734: Jan 4th 2019 at 3:09:43 AM

Wait is this hypothetical fight on Asgard?

Cause if it is then Hela is indeed invincible there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#93736: Jan 4th 2019 at 3:32:12 AM

[up][up]Until Surtur stabs her with a mile-long sword. Hela is definitely badass but I cannot forget what Honest Trailers pointed out: nowhere in the film does she do anything to merit her claim to be the Goddess of Death, rather than the Goddess of Pointy Things.

If killing people very efficiently makes you a god of death, then there are lots of candidates around the universe. For example, I'd give Yondu a token nomination.

It strikes me that both the "god" designation and the assignment of portfolio are probably intended to be more metaphorical than literal. We never do find out what Odin is the god of. Exposition, maybe? And Loki isn't in Odin's line, so his claim to be a god by kinship is ludicrous.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 4th 2019 at 7:03:57 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93737: Jan 4th 2019 at 4:26:19 AM

In myth, Odin is a god of war.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#93738: Jan 4th 2019 at 4:32:04 AM

Odin's a god of a lot of things in Norse Myth. He's the god of wisdom, poetry, death, divination, war, and magic.

Hela's power-set in the MCU is actually based on the powers of another Thor villain, Gorr the God-Butcher. Comics Hela otoh really does live up to the title of Goddess of Death.

Also, the reason MCU Surtur in particular could defeat MCU Hela even at her best was because of his prophesized role to destroy Asgard. He's essentially the Anti-Asgard — and the source of her power is Asgard. Yeah...

Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2019 at 8:40:44 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93739: Jan 4th 2019 at 4:36:06 AM

Which means Thanos with the Power Stone would win because he could just blow up Asgard just as well.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#93740: Jan 4th 2019 at 4:39:03 AM

There's probably some extra magic destiny bullshit factor at play too. It's not just a matter of Surtur being a mountain-sized fire giant with a sword to match.

Fate and prophecy and stuff is kind of a big deal in Norse myth, and that's true to a lesser degree in works based on it.

Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2019 at 8:39:58 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93741: Jan 4th 2019 at 5:04:49 AM

Also, his Thanos is kind of a blatant Mary Sue.
I disagree. While he has always been presented as extremely powerful and wise, he was never portrayed as without any flaws.

We never did see Hulk vs Hela
Hulk had already enough problems with her pet though.

He broke the moon up into a meteor shower before throwing it, he didn't throw the whole thing at once.

Which still should have been MORE than enough to level the entire effin' planet and kill everybody on it, especially the likes of Quill or Mantis.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#93742: Jan 4th 2019 at 5:42:24 AM

He strips off chunks of the moon's surface and teleports them down to the planet, which causes a lot of damage but is by no means "throwing the entire moon". The fact that anyone survives it is pure artistic license. This Because Science video explores the actual physics involved (although he makes the mistake of assuming it's the whole moon rather than just bits of it) and concludes that the scene just ignores reality. Which is kind of "duh" but worth pointing out because you can't then reasonably say, "What would really happen is X."

Worth noting specifically is that, although it's difficult to tell exactly how big the moon is and how far away it is, at the observed impact velocity the debris Thanos is pulling off of it might take as long as a few hours to land, not a few seconds. Ergo, he's using the Space Stone to shorten the actual distance that it travels.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 4th 2019 at 9:04:32 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93743: Jan 4th 2019 at 7:02:54 AM

I thought he was using the Space Stone to move the debris, rather than teleport them.

Also, wouldn't the low gravity of Titan deminishnote  part of the impact?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#93744: Jan 4th 2019 at 7:39:22 AM

TBH, Thanos should have been able to splatter the heroes on Titan even without the Gauntlet. He's Hulk level strong, don't forget.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#93745: Jan 4th 2019 at 7:40:07 AM

[up][up]He can teleport the debris, sure, but it also has to accelerate enough to generate compressive heating to turn into fireballs as we see on screen. That requires a certain amount of time subject to gravity, a certain amount of gravity, and a certain atmospheric density (itself a function of gravity). Or, the Space Stone just takes care of all of that without bothering physics.

[up] It's pretty clear that Thanos is more than capable of wiping the floor with just about everyone, save possibly Strange and Thor (with Stormbreaker), but it's also apparent that he's deliberately not exerting his full power in every fight.

He has a twisted sense of honor/mercy that drives him not to kill directly unless it's absolutely necessary, or unless the character in question has personally affronted him (examples: Loki, Tony). Note that it's only after he's nearly beaten by the team on Titan that he takes off the gloves (so to speak) and just wrecks their shit.

Rather, he exerts the minimum effort needed to overcome obstacles, and only then delivers his "mercy". After all, if he murders wantonly, it messes up the calculations of "half the people in the universe".

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 4th 2019 at 11:04:13 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#93746: Jan 4th 2019 at 7:58:13 AM

I like the idea every time he fights someone Thanos is spending most of the fight working out the math of "how many people do I have to kill now if I kill all these people." and his moments of mercy are just him being frustrated at all the speed math he has to do every time he fights someone.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#93747: Jan 4th 2019 at 8:05:14 AM

He also doesn't even bother to fight the Avengers on Earth. He's proven his point. He just puts forth the minimum effort needed to take them out of the battle. Only Wanda manages to hinder him more than trivially. And Thor, of course, but we know how that turns out.

If anything proves how scary Thanos is, it's the fact that he doesn't bother killing any of them. He knows they pose no threat. The scene with Steve is just brilliant. It's not that he stands a chance, but that Thanos is genuinely surprised that one of these puny humans can hold him off even for a second.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 4th 2019 at 11:10:24 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93748: Jan 4th 2019 at 8:18:38 AM

That and it also shows that he has some degree of mercy and humanity inside him.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93749: Jan 4th 2019 at 8:22:07 AM

That and it also shows that he has some degree of mercy and humanity inside him
I disagree with this. There is no "humanity" inside Thanos — he merely wants to prove a point. If that point involves him "sparing" his enemies to random chance, that's what he'll do. It's all towards proving that he was right.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#93750: Jan 4th 2019 at 8:26:38 AM

Heck, even Word of God has stated that a big part of Thanos' motivation is wanting to prove to his dead naysayers that he was right.

Edited by M84 on Jan 5th 2019 at 12:31:51 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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