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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#93701: Jan 3rd 2019 at 6:20:48 PM

I'd really like an Avengers movie not to come down to "heroes vs army" at some point.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 3rd 2019 at 6:23:30 AM

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#93702: Jan 3rd 2019 at 6:21:02 PM

[up][up]Obviously. The Avengers battle is meant to seem hopeless until the heroes pull out a last second win. The Infinity War battle is meant to seem hopeful until the villain pulls out a last second win. Because it's no fun to watch if the winning team is ahead by five touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

[up] Well, Civil War doesn't do that. It really depends on the scope of the film. For world-shattering conflicts, you expect big battles. For personal conflicts, you expect smaller fights.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 3rd 2019 at 9:21:54 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#93703: Jan 3rd 2019 at 6:23:40 PM

Infinity War, to be fair, started Marvel really understanding (and having the budget to adequately portray, to be fairer) that a key way to make an extended fight against a single (or few) opponent interesting is to make their abilities very unorthodox and different.

Everyone vs Thanos was awesome in large part for how many strange and epic avenues Thanos took when using the power at his disposal. Ebony Maw vs Strange, Tony and Peter is my favorite fight in the series because it shows how fun and action packed a fight against a power as versatile as telekinesis can be.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 3rd 2019 at 6:23:54 AM

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#93704: Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:42:08 PM

Also, Thanos threw a moon at them.

It's empty spectacle, but what a spectacle!

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:44:59 AM

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#93706: Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:44:40 PM

I prefer even battles between two groups of elite fighters over mass battles with hordes of mooks. Battles are more interesting when the two sides are evenly matched and there's some give and take on both sides. The airport battle is one of, if not the best, battles in the MCU, and I'd love to see more variations on the concept.

The Avengers vs a team of supervillains would be amazing to see.

[up]He broke the moon up into a meteor shower before throwing it, he didn't throw the whole thing at once.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:45:35 AM

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#93707: Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:45:27 PM

I should note, musing on it, that it's not entirely empty spectacle. It does serve a valuable function: finally strutting the Power Gem's stuff. We've been told over and over that the Power Gem has the power to annihilate worlds, but outside of that one flashback with the Celestial, we've never seen it.

For obvious reasons.

A moon isn't a planet, but it's still nice to finally get that demonstration of just how devastating the Power Gem can be, rather than simply being informed that it is.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:46:00 AM

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#93708: Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:46:46 PM

On the other hand, a second earlier Thanos uses the Power Stone directly at the Guardians... and it just knocks them out. For some reason.

He doesn't even drop the whole moon, he just drops a hill's worth of boulders.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:47:59 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93709: Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:48:13 PM

Does it matter if it’s empty?

I mean he threw a fucking moon or at least large chunks of it in the middle of a fight. Why wouldn’t you want to see that?

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:48:39 AM

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#93710: Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:02:51 PM

So I was overthinking the Snap and I realized that it's actually a nigh perfect combination of the Infinity Stones' powers:

1) Reality Stone — the lynchpin of it all. It's what turns people into dust.

2) Power Stone — Amplifies the Reality Stone's output so it can affect trillions no matter how powerful they are.

3) Space Stone — Sends out the Reality Stone's effect so that it hits anyone anywhere in the entire universe.

4) Mind Stone — Acts as a sort of AI programmed to remove only half of all sentient life.

5) Soul Stone — Detects every living thing with a soul and marks them as a potential victim to the Mind Stone.

6) Time Stone — Ensures that the normally temporary effect of the Reality Stone is permanent. Also warps time so that the effect of the Snap hits all of its targets at more or less the same time.

Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2019 at 12:03:16 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#93711: Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:02:59 PM

All fights are empty spectacles when you get down to it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#93712: Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:13:47 PM

Heh. Just watched Tony do his first bit of Superheroing in Gulmira.

Just over ten years later, and it's still pretty iconic. I'm still wondering how he made the armour tough enough to tank...tank shells though. It's a miracle he took that hit and the fall.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93713: Jan 3rd 2019 at 9:06:17 PM

Is funny but when you think about it, What tony did to steve in Civil war is what sherlock did in the movies: a sherlock scan of is oponent and them kicking is ass with awsome analysis.

So tony stark sherlock decended confirmtongue

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#93714: Jan 4th 2019 at 12:11:47 AM

Re: Tony repeating the process of making an AI. Bare in mind that Tony had created sentient A.I.s before and after Ultron that did not try to commit genocide. It's not unreasonable to think he could make Vision without any bad side effects.

So I was overthinking the Snap and I realized that it's actually a nigh perfect combination of the Infinity Stones' powers:

1) Reality Stone — the lynchpin of it all. It's what turns people into dust.

2) Power Stone — Amplifies the Reality Stone's output so it can affect trillions no matter how powerful they are.

3) Space Stone — Sends out the Reality Stone's effect so that it hits anyone anywhere in the entire universe.

4) Mind Stone — Acts as a sort of AI programmed to remove only half of all sentient life.

5) Soul Stone — Detects every living thing with a soul and marks them as a potential victim to the Mind Stone.

6) Time Stone — Ensures that the normally temporary effect of the Reality Stone is permanent. Also warps time so that the effect of the Snap hits all of its targets at more or less the same time.

That's a really good analysis.

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#93715: Jan 4th 2019 at 1:26:58 AM

I wonder how Thanos would fare against the other biggest MCU villains: Ego and Hela.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#93716: Jan 4th 2019 at 1:57:06 AM

[up]With or without the complete Gauntlet?

Without the Gauntlet he'd probably hold his own against Ego and Hela for a while (assuming Hela isn't juiced up on Asgard) but lose in the end. He did have a reputation as the most powerful being in the universe even before he had an Infinity Stone, true, but most of the universe didn't know Ego or Hela existed. Baseline MCU Thanos is probably "just" at Hulk's level (though he has an advantage since he's a better brawler).

With the full Gauntlet? Not even a challenge. I doubt either Ego or Hela are on the same level as, say, Thor wielding Stormbreaker (considering Stormbreaker unlike Mjolnir was forged to amplify Thor's power rather than restrain it).

Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2019 at 5:59:20 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93717: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:15:51 AM

Without the Gauntlet, Thanos loses. With the Gauntlet, he wins.

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#93718: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:33:13 AM

I wonder how Thanos would fare against the other biggest MCU villains: Ego and Hel

> Hel would probably end up submitting while Ego being a celestial would probably put up more of a fight,of course Ego being a living planet means they're not really on the same level

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93719: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:35:18 AM

Why would Hela submit? She could literally make weapons out of thin air. Without the Gauntlet, Thanos is tough, sure, but Hela would probably still beat him.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93720: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:36:54 AM

We never did see Hulk vs Hela but Thanos could most likely break her arm or leave her with some crippling wound.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 4th 2019 at 2:37:06 AM

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Disasturbator
#93721: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:37:02 AM

So?

She'd probably see him as a useful ally against Ego

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#93722: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:44:45 AM

We never did see Hulk vs Hela but Thanos could most likely break her arm or leave her with some crippling wound.

Would that be before or after she turns him into the universe's ugliest purple pin cushion?

Edited by windleopard on Jan 4th 2019 at 2:45:14 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93723: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:46:08 AM

Hey Thanos would go down fighting.

And besides she’s no Darkseid.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93724: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:46:30 AM

We never did see Hulk vs Hela but Thanos could most likely break her arm or leave her with some crippling wound.
Eh, what now? You realize in the Hela vs Thor fight, Hela was winning, right? You don't think that Thor was trying to give her a crippling wound or something? He was, he just couldn't, because the longer she was in Asgard, the stronger she was. Thanos is some alien dude; Hela is the goddess of death. She was conquering worlds with Odin when Thanos was a baby.

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#93725: Jan 4th 2019 at 2:48:10 AM

> Would that be before or after she turns him into the universe's ugliest purple pin cushion?

After she turns him into the universe's maddest Porcupine

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