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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93676: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:08:32 PM

[up]So their entire chitauri race got blow up? like....ALL of it?.

.......What?.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#93677: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:12:12 PM

I heard there was a tie-in novel (that's officially non-canon, but isn't explicitly so) that said that the Other was actually the one in charge of the Chitauri. He was kind of their "hive king", so to speak. So, I guess when Ronan killed him, there was really no one left in charge of the Chitauri and Thanos abandoned them.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93678: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:12:12 PM

I mean, destroying their base also killed all the Chitauri that were on Earth, too, so...yeah. Tony totally committed genocide, y'all.

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#93679: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:12:15 PM

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93680: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:12:59 PM

Spacefaring races. Also, they are a hivemind. If the leader castes were on those ships Tony blew up, the entire species is fucked.

And Thanos has thousands upon thousands of worlds from which to call armies to fight in his stead.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93681: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:14:32 PM

[up][up][up]Ahhhhh Tony evil is vast as the space he is right now. tongue

Edited by unknowing on Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:14:59 AM

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#93682: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:15:47 PM

We saw a Chitauri still alive at the Collector’s home.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:15:58 AM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93683: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:16:16 PM

All those poor, innocent Chitauri. Long lives to live ahead of them. All gone.

Tony!

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#93684: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:16:29 PM

Also that one guarding Nebula.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93685: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:19:08 PM

There were two guarding Nebula in Infinity War.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93686: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:23:30 PM

I mantain a joke that Thannos know tony name because he want to recruit him for is black order to replace him after he complete is plan.

Who is better than him to carry out thannos willtongue

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#93687: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:23:59 PM

Another thing about the Chitauri, I know that in The Ultimates (where they debuted), they were actually shapeshifters similar to the Skrulls. As a hypothetical, do you think this would've been an interesting ability to implement when they appeared in The Avengers (2012), or would it have been unnecessary for the story they were trying to tell?

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93688: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:27:33 PM

Very much unnecessary for their role in the story.

Also, it might have caused Fox to make fuzz if they had shapeshifting aliens.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93689: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:28:11 PM

Completely unnecessary, especially since we are already getting Skrulls in the MCU with Captain Marvel. For The Avengers, they wanted a race of, well, mooks and so Whedon pretty much plucked out the name "Chituari," even though they bore no resemblence to the comic book Chitauri.

Ironically enough, later on, the MCU Chitauri were imported into the 616 universe.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93690: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:50:01 PM

Which it make me ask: how much of MCU have being imported or influence comics in general?.

I mean for what I know comic quake now look more like AOU actress right now, I want to see how MCU have influence comic in many ways.

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#93691: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:57:07 PM

Well, the head of SHIELD is now Samuel Jackson. :V

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#93692: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:57:16 PM

Pretty heavily. Just on top of my head, they started a Defenders comic series with the TV Defenders, they imported the Agents of SHIELD from the show, they introduced "Nick Fury Jr." to have a black Nick in the 616 verse, they brought back Thanos following the 2012 stinger, they changed the colors of the Infinity stones to match their MCU counterparts.....and that's just what I remember right now, there is tons of more stuff.

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#93693: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:01:26 PM

Avengers and their subreddits.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:01:46 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93694: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:33:28 PM

For those wondering what that long string of letters is representing Black Widow, it's an acronym that stands for "Upvoted Not Because Girl, But Because It Is Very Cool. However, I Do Concede That I Initially Clicked Because Girl."

they brought back Thanos following the 2012 stinger
To be fair, they always bring back Thanos in the comics.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:34:14 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#93695: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:38:41 PM

Sure, but he has been like omni-present since 2012. And not always in a good way. Writers who are not Jim Starlin tend to mess him up. And sadly, the man has left Marvel by now.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:38:49 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93696: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:44:14 PM

I like Bucky reddit "Im the asshole" it make me laugh a lot.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93697: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:56:38 PM

Writers who are not Jim Starlin tend to mess him up. And sadly, the man has left Marvel by now.
Heh. Starlin always says he's leaving Marvel and them always comes back when they offer him another OGN or mini-series. Also, his Thanos is kind of a blatant Mary Sue. I much prefer Al Ewing's Thanos, when he used him in The Ultimates.

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#93698: Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:02:13 PM

The Avengers beat Thanos' army. They were in full retreat, with their leaders dead and Thor smashing their ships out of the sky. The battle wasn't truly hopeless until Thanos showed up.

In addition to this, the battle against the Chitauri was a last desperate stand! They were buying time against an unending horde, searching on a wing and a prayer for some way to shut down the portal before they could be overwhelmed.

The Avengers much more definitively destroyed the Black Order's army than the Chitauri's.

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#93699: Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:29:20 PM

It occurs to me the Chitauri are basically the orcs of this setting,always chaotic evil and attacking in a huge hoard of identical looking creatures at the command of a dark lord

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93700: Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:40:28 PM

The whole point of my post is about the intent behind the fights.

Yes, both are last stands in text.

But Avengers' is triumphant because the team came together, and yeah, it will cost them, there's even a darkest hour towards the end to pull heartstrings, but they'll end victorious.

You are correct that the Infinity War last stand is a curbstomp of Thanos' armies, but it's there to build a false sense of temporary victory, because Thanos himself is still coming.

They tease us again in the Thanos fight with Thor using Stomrbreaker, but then snuff the audience's hope.

So both movies last stands have very different emotional impact. In part because they were made by different people, but in part because both have very different intents as far as audience reaction is concerned.


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