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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#93651: Jan 3rd 2019 at 11:40:45 AM

On the topic of Ultron, I feel like this video offers a compelling alternate take on Ultron. It's not perfect but at the least I feel it makes the film relevant to the universe outside of introduction of the twins and Vision's creation.

Edited by Aleistar on Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:43:15 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93652: Jan 3rd 2019 at 12:49:46 PM

[up][up] That really doesn’t have anything to do with Ultron.

They are already supposed to be heroes & rescue people. Ultron being a wimp doesn’t have anything to do with that.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 3rd 2019 at 12:50:27 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93653: Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:11:10 PM

New Captain Marvel photo. THE MOHAWK! WOOO!

Edited by alliterator on Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:11:20 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#93654: Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:22:35 PM

Awhile back I noted that the final fight in Civi War had a backdrop that looked like the last supper,but I've noticed in Infinity war The Version tells them to kill him so Thanos can't get the stone from his head but none of them can bring themselves too (they do it eventually though but then Thanos rewinds time) ,why does it sound similar to "One of you will betray me"

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 3rd 2019 at 9:23:28 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93656: Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:54:52 PM

True, but usually it's when she's flying in space. This is a different look at it.

I've noticed that the tagline for the movie is "Higher, Further, Faster" and they are even using that as an official hashtag. It comes directly from Kelly Sue DeConnick's run, but I do wonder if they will include the actual context of the phrase, which is a letter Carol gets from an old friend:

Knew you the second you set foot on my property, kid. Even as young as you were, how could I not? Folks want to blame someone for gals like us. "Her daddy was unkind" or "some fella broke her heart"...Hogwash. You and me've always been like this. Always a little removed. Always...dreaming. Of higher, further, faster...more. Always more. We came into this world spittin' mad, runnin' full bore...To or from what, I ain't never been able to tell. Over the years, I've come to think of these particular traits as the shared attributes of a chosen people...the Lord put us here to punch holes in the sky.
And when the soul is born with that kind of purpose... It'll damn sure find a way. We're gonna get where we’re going, you and me. Death and indignity be damned... we'll get there...
...And we will be the stars we were always meant to be.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:58:22 AM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93657: Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:59:49 PM

[up]x5

My point was that I don't care if Ultron is a weak villain.

Which I happen to think he wasn't. He was a decent enough threat.

The number one thing in my book in any movie is the Heroes, and AOU establishes some good stuff for many.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93658: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:02:07 PM

And they would have been better heroes with a better villain.

After all it was Goddamn heroic as all Hell to see the Avengers valiantly battle Thanos Even if there was no hope at all.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93659: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:08:01 PM

Not really.

I legit don't believe in the concept that a hero is only as good as his villain. Or the idea that a compelling villain makes a story better.

Those elements are bottom of the barrel for a good story in my book.

I'm all about the motivations and interpersonal relations of the heroes. About what they react or even don't react to.

Age Of Ultron estblished a lot interest moments for many characters that have had impact going forward in the story.

And again, I happen to think Ultron was fine enough.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93660: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:08:13 PM

And they would have been better heroes with a better villain.
I don't think that's necessarily true. After all, the Chitauri was completely disposable villains (a literal mook army), but the Avengers looked completely heroic fighting against them (even more than they did fighting off the other mook army in Infinity War).

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93661: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:11:40 PM

Well, that's a function of design.

The finale of Avengers was them standing together and triumphant against the Chitauri.

The finale of Infinity War is the last desperate stand of the Avengers against Thanos' Army.

Edited by MrSeyker on Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:12:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93662: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:11:44 PM

Well then the Chitari were good enough villains for what the story was going for.

Ultron just didn’t cut it on the other hand.

Though as said that is far from the movies only issue.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#93663: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:18:44 PM

The Avengers beat Thanos' army. They were in full retreat, with their leaders dead and Thor smashing their ships out of the sky. The battle wasn't truly hopeless until Thanos showed up.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93664: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:18:52 PM

I think, at this point, the people who dislike Ultron aren't going to agree with the people who like Ultron. So perhaps we should move on.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#93665: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:35:51 PM

We need less mook armies. It’s gotten very old.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93666: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:39:36 PM

I agree. I want to see the Masters of Evil on screen.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93667: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:40:56 PM

They are a necessary evil if you want your narrative to involve an ensemble as your protagonists.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93668: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:42:15 PM

The Masters of Evil can provide a nice Evil Counterpart to each of the Avengers.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:42:31 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93669: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:43:31 PM

[up][up]I disagree. The Avengers fighting against themselves in Civil War was a much more dynamic fight than the Avengers fighting Thanos's mooks. Because a mook army only really does one thing — rush and punch or shoot. A team of different superpowered characters (a la the Masters of Evil) does a variety of things with different superpowers.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:43:39 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#93670: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:48:18 PM

Not to mention that not all fighting has to be physical. You can have a team fight a single or small group of enemies and have everyone contribute. Maybe Steve and Natasha and Sam go off and try to find the Big Bad’s weakness, while Hawkeye is tracking down the Big Bad’s former associate, and Tony and Bruce are stalling for time via tech... you get the idea.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#93671: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:48:44 PM

Not saying you are wrong, but you can't have teams falling apart constantly, and teams are hard to set up.

You can have a bunch of superpowered bad guys rise to challenge the ensemble, but if you don't have the screentime to properly establish them, they end up just barely better than the mook army.

The mook army is a fast, easy threat to set as the extension of an actual bit bad that can have more screentime dedicates to them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93672: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:49:04 PM

The best fight is still every action scene in The Winter Soldier (but especially Steve vs Bucky) and Steve vs Tony at the end of Civil War.

Also the battle of Xandar!

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:50:05 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93673: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:49:45 PM

Plus variety is a Godsend.

We have had 3 separate mook army’s.

They are really played out.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93674: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:52:25 PM

It depends, while the chitauri were disposable, like other said it feel they gaing traction which each passing moment and we see all the chararter wearing down little by little, Ultron is a bad case since it feel like just filler.

Also come chararter jus need mooks, HYDRA for example, maybe not ultron, Thanos.....

what happen to Thanos chitauri? did they just vanish? did Thannos fire them?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93675: Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:58:57 PM

Tony put a nuke into the Chitauri base in the first Avengers. I think that might have wiped them out.


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