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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The reason Scarlet Witch was able to destroy the Mind Stone has nothing to do with her (considerable) level of raw power. It's because her powers are directly linked to the Mind Stone itself and thus she can get past whatever defenses it has. Remember that her powers were awakened by experiments using the Mind Stone.
Disgusted, but not surprisedI was clearly joking, guys. But also yeah Ao U doesn’t exist; Scarlet Witch and Vision just appeared outta nowhere and Hulk yeeted himself into space for no reason
....damn.
You know what? Yes. Yes they will, hopefully in a way that isn't shit.
I stand by my principles dammit! I'll pay that price!
One Strip! One Strip!Part of the problem of AOU for me was the way MCU Ultron stacked up to comics Ultron.
Comics Ultron was a much more gleefully psychotic and misanthropic monster who was also a basket case of Freudian issues. Even more so after merging with his "father".
MCU Ultron spends most of the movie lashing out and not even really knowing what he actually wants to do — it's not until the end that he decides to wipe out humanity. He just comes across as more pathetic than anything.
Edited by M84 on Jan 2nd 2019 at 11:09:49 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedYeah, no matter what some people might claim, the reality is that Natasha considers herself a monster because she was trained from childhood to be an assassin and murderer, and she has murdered many people. That's a character point that has been around since the first Avengers, and her having regrets about her dark past is literally one of her defining character traits.
I love Age of Ultron, it's a great film with great action, story, characters, and acting.
MCU Ultron is better than "beep boop, generic killer robot" from every Avengers cartoon version of him ever.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 2nd 2019 at 8:16:12 AM
The problem with the cartoon versions is that they (understandably) don't bring up his Freudian issues much. That's as big a part of him as the misanthropy he "inherited" from his "dad".
Ultron's a mix of Kill All Humans and Daddy Issues up the wazoo.
One of the most compelling Ultron stories involved an iteration of Ultron who had a quirk in his programming that allowed him to actually get over his issues and make peace with Hank and humanity. They even started to bond like father and son. Sadly, this version was of course destroyed, and a later incarnation of Ultron patched out the bug that led to his predecessor developing a conscience in the first place.
Edited by M84 on Jan 2nd 2019 at 11:21:29 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedHe’s not really a generic killer robot.
He actually has a lot of daddy issues & has a real messed up view about family which included turning into a woman at one point to woo Tony Stark I think.
Or to woo his mother Janet.
Ultron is messed up.
Most likely because it’s too disturbing for a kids cartoon.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 2nd 2019 at 7:19:59 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
x8
I will die on this particular hill. That quote was where my general apathy toward the movie took a hard whiplash into outright disgust. I literally turned to my mom in fury and surprise in the theater and whispered “what the hell?!” Being infertile means killing is easier and she’s a monster. Thanks ever so much, that’s definitely not insulting and outright stupid. Cause ladies are soft cause of their uteruses, but no uterus equals killing machine monster. Lovely. Fun fact, about 10% of women are infertile. What a fun surprise kick in the teeth!
Edited by wisewillow on Jan 2nd 2019 at 10:35:01 AM
The Bruce and Natasha romance in general was pretty rubbish. They had like what, two notable scenes in the first Avengers togethers, and one of them involved him basically trying to kill her. That's something that would leave their relationship a bit strained, at the least. But beyond that, the two just have no chemistry in Ultron and the whole thing feels incredibly forced, even before you get into the Unfortunate Implications. It was as if Whedon decided "Well, Nat just likes Banner now", but forgot the part where he needed to create a believable build-up for their relationship/attraction to each other.
That aside, I was actually not finding Ao U that terrible for the first several minutes. It wasn't good necessarily, and there were noticeable issues, but I was expecting it to be even worse based on what I heard.
However, the movie completely falls apart for me around the time Vision gets created because whatever character arc Tony has in the movie is completely shattered by it. It's really, really, really terrible writing and from that point I just didn't care about the movie anymore. And reflecting upon the film more over time, my opinion has continued to sour.
Ultimately both Avengers films have big problems for me. Aside from it feeling like Whedon is pigeonholing the characters into his particular vision in a way that doesn't mesh well with the other movies, Avengers 1 is mostly uninteresting until the final team up and if you aren't already invested in the idea of the team-up, it doesn't really work. Ultron has some effective scenes and seems to be more ambitious thematically but is full of major problems that are impossible to ignore.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Jan 2nd 2019 at 11:57:55 AM
Nah, Vision is one of the things which work in the movie. I actually like that Tony's solution to messing up with Ultron is to create a better version of it - one which is infused with Jarvis personality instead of his own.
Plus, I like the symbolism of Vision being a symbolical combination of the four main Avengers.
The reason why it's terrible is that Tony tries to do the exact same thing he did in the beginning of the movie (which was a horrible idea borne of his own hubris and thinking that he knows better than everyone else), except this time it works because the plot demands it. Vision himself is really cool, but everything about his creation sucks.

Vision came from space
maybe Thanos destroyed his homeworld or something
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