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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#93476: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:54:06 PM

It's not, and like I said, I didn't want to hijack the thread. Use your imagination regarding recent events. I know I already detoured enough as is.


So. MCU Sequels...

Assuming there's no Snap Back (though there likely will be, probably around the time of Gamora's death), I can see M'Baku rightly raising issue that Wakanda has seen nothing but hardship since opening up. I'm also curious how Doctor Strange will actually start with the Baron Mordo Sequel Hook.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:56:37 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93477: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:56:02 PM

I wanna see Mysterio's fish-bowl.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#93478: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:01:49 PM

Mordo's going to have a less ground to stand on in the "sorcerers delving into power beyond their ken is always wrong, ever" front now that Strange continuing to abuse the power of the Time Stone is poised to save literally half of everyone alive from dying.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:02:28 AM

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#93479: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:03:48 PM

Yeah, I feel they missed the boat for Mordo to be a straight-up villain, given the events of Infinity War, although some form of Snap Back could undo enough of it that most people aren't aware that anything happened, a little bit like the battle with Dormammu (as HISHE pointed out so hilariously).

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:04:24 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#93480: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:14:07 PM

They dropped the ball in that whole post credits scene. "Too many magic users"? How is that possibly the take away?

I think it makes sense for him not to be an out and out villain, though I'm curious to see what direction they go.

I've been wondering if Strange went to bargain with Dormammu, or Shuma Gorath, or other dimensions, in his various timelines, and how they're impacted by the snap (they shouldn't be, since they're explicitly not from the same universe as the stones). I also wonder if we'll see Shuma Gorath in a movie. I want to see him in his Marvel Vs Capcom b-boy stance on the big screen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#93481: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:24:38 PM

I mean, Mordo has a point that while abusing magic got them out of the mess in Dr. Strange, it also got them into that mess in the first place. He's obviously losing it and going well into Knight Templar territory, but the idea that magic users could turn into Tony Stark wildly and irresponsibly create crises and then pat themselves on the back for stopping them, while others suffer in the meantime, keeps him from being completely unsympathetic.

But he loses that with Thanos. Thanos isn't the result of sorcerer irresponsibility. From a magical point of view, Thanos is just some asshole. Not a demon. Not a wizard. Just a very strong guy of ruthless will who commands vast legions. He uses the Stones, whose power we could call magical (given the Time Stone is explicitly seen that way), but they existed before sorcerers and anyone who can avoid being killed by touching one can use them.

Abuse of magic - from his point of view - was necessary to avoid a comparatively mundane crisis from destroying the universe as we know it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:26:05 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93482: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:38:22 PM

In the 2015 ultimates, a new Triskelion for international cooperation was formed from the three lines of Wakanda, Canada (Alpha Flight), and America (Under Carol Danvers, who effectively bossed Alpha Flight as well). I could see the MCU doing something similar.
Alpha Flight wasn't the Canadian side and there was no American side. The actual three sides to the Triskelian were: the Wakandan Embassy, the headquarters of the Ultimates, and the Earth-based headquarters of Alpha Flight, which was the organization that replaced S.W.O.R.D. as the space-protection agency (it was no longer Canada's supergroup). Carol Danvers was the head of Alpha Flight, while Black Panther was effectively the head of the Ultimates (although it shifted to America Chavez in volume 2).

Edited by alliterator on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:39:17 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93483: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:46:51 PM

[up][up]He could argue that the Sorcerers could've destroyed the Time Stone outright instead of keeping it around where its powers could be abused.

Which is exactly what happened.

I mean, we have no idea what happened in the 14,000,604 timelines where they lost, but it is not much of a stretch to imagine that Strange never considered simply destroying the Time Stone outright, instead opting to go with a risky and very morally ambiguous gambit.

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#93484: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:55:34 PM

It took someone who got powers from the Mind Stone to destroy the Mind Stone, I don't know if destroying the Time Stone was even a viable option.

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#93485: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:24:35 PM

look destroying a magical artifact is a gigantic loss of potential,and there is likely no way of magically recreating said stones,they're gone forever

No wonder magic users didn't just destroy them

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#93486: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:31:42 PM

By Mordo's inner logic (i.e that magic is a inherently destructive force and should be kept out of people's hands), he'd actually be arguing the fact the infinity stones exist at all and ended up in the hands of a genocidal madman is proof of his argument.

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#93487: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:33:45 PM

[up]The fact Strange didnt try to destroy it or hide it can be see as further proof of is argument.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#93488: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:37:11 PM

My theory is still that all of the Stones regenerate when damaged. That's what the Aether did. While it's obviously the most fluid of the Stones, I figure that just means it regenerates faster, and it's impossible to truly destroy any of them.

But Thanos didn't have to bother waiting for the Mind Stone to be regenerated since he had the Time Stone and could just press the undo button.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#93489: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:37:32 PM

It's kind of getting away from Mordo's argument and outright blaming Strange for things that wasn't his fault. Mordo is anti-wizards because he feels wizards were outright causing more problems than they fixed and were too reckless to leave unchecked.

Putting the blame on tragedy striking on Strange not making different decisions is a different conversation entirely. Mordo likely wouldn't have advocated for destroying the stone either, especially not as an immediate reaction before exhausting all other possibilities.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:38:45 AM

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#93490: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:38:06 PM

The idea of destroying the Stones seems kind of weird to me. If they are somehow fundamentally connected to aspects of existence, then can they be destroyed at all? If so, wouldn't doing so have catastrophic consequences?

I mean, in the MCU, it is clearly possible, since we saw it happen. I expected more of an Earth-Shattering Kaboom than the little light show we got. Heck, Thor does more damage when he smashes things with his axe.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 2nd 2019 at 6:40:00 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93491: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:48:14 PM

Maybe it depends on the stone. I wager the Reality or the Power Stone might do a wee bit more damage when destroyed than the Mind Stone.

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#93492: Jan 2nd 2019 at 4:31:40 PM

I assume destroying the stones wouldn't destroy the concept they represent.

They're more like powerful remnants of whatever forces created those aspects of reality, and have dominion over them but are not necessary to their continued existence.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93493: Jan 2nd 2019 at 4:43:20 PM

If we're going by the comics, then yes: the Infinity Stones can be destroyed. In the lead up to Secret Wars, all of the Infinity Gems were shattered and destroyed except for the Time Gem.

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#93494: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:06:24 PM

Really anticlimatically as well, I might add.

They just shattered like cheap glass. At least the Mind Stone in the movie ruffled some leaves.

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Oh, bother.
#93495: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:26:43 PM

In the comics the Infinity Gems weren't tied to fundamental forces of the cosmos or anything like that. They were the remnants of a god who committed suicide after all of their attempts to create life led to failure.

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#93496: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:39:09 PM

It's probably been quietly de-canonized now, but in Age of Ultron Cap and Dr. Cho were pretty sure that the Mind Stone could be destroyed by missile strike.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#93497: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:48:27 PM

Sssshhh that movie doesn’t exist. tongue

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#93498: Jan 2nd 2019 at 6:07:50 PM

[up][up] So what I infer from that is that the Scarlet Witch has the destructive capability of a missile strike. That seems like low-balling her power level a bit.

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Pet Owner
#93499: Jan 2nd 2019 at 6:28:20 PM

Stones are harder than gems?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#93500: Jan 2nd 2019 at 6:30:14 PM

Sssshhh that movie doesn’t exist.

Really? So where did Vision come from.

Listen. I may hate Iron Man 3, but I'm not gonna say it never happened, so if I'm gonna tolerate that, I'm sure as hell not letting the movie I do like (Prima Nocta and the thing with Black Widow saying she's a monster was very very stupid, but I still like the movie despite both of those) get the it never happened treatment.

AOU is a thing. And it will stay a thing as long as Handsome Rob breathes.

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Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 2nd 2019 at 7:30:28 AM

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