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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Mordo's going to have a less ground to stand on in the "sorcerers delving into power beyond their ken is always wrong, ever" front now that Strange continuing to abuse the power of the Time Stone is poised to save literally half of everyone alive from dying.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:02:28 AM
Yeah, I feel they missed the boat for Mordo to be a straight-up villain, given the events of Infinity War, although some form of Snap Back could undo enough of it that most people aren't aware that anything happened, a little bit like the battle with Dormammu (as HISHE pointed out so hilariously).
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:04:24 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"They dropped the ball in that whole post credits scene. "Too many magic users"? How is that possibly the take away?
I think it makes sense for him not to be an out and out villain, though I'm curious to see what direction they go.
I've been wondering if Strange went to bargain with Dormammu, or Shuma Gorath, or other dimensions, in his various timelines, and how they're impacted by the snap (they shouldn't be, since they're explicitly not from the same universe as the stones). I also wonder if we'll see Shuma Gorath in a movie. I want to see him in his Marvel Vs Capcom b-boy stance on the big screen.
I mean, Mordo has a point that while abusing magic got them out of the mess in Dr. Strange, it also got them into that mess in the first place. He's obviously losing it and going well into Knight Templar territory, but the idea that magic users could turn into Tony Stark wildly and irresponsibly create crises and then pat themselves on the back for stopping them, while others suffer in the meantime, keeps him from being completely unsympathetic.
But he loses that with Thanos. Thanos isn't the result of sorcerer irresponsibility. From a magical point of view, Thanos is just some asshole. Not a demon. Not a wizard. Just a very strong guy of ruthless will who commands vast legions. He uses the Stones, whose power we could call magical (given the Time Stone is explicitly seen that way), but they existed before sorcerers and anyone who can avoid being killed by touching one can use them.
Abuse of magic - from his point of view - was necessary to avoid a comparatively mundane crisis from destroying the universe as we know it.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:26:05 AM
Edited by alliterator on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:39:17 AM
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He could argue that the Sorcerers could've destroyed the Time Stone outright instead of keeping it around where its powers could be abused.
Which is exactly what happened.
I mean, we have no idea what happened in the 14,000,604 timelines where they lost, but it is not much of a stretch to imagine that Strange never considered simply destroying the Time Stone outright, instead opting to go with a risky and very morally ambiguous gambit.
By Mordo's inner logic (i.e that magic is a inherently destructive force and should be kept out of people's hands), he'd actually be arguing the fact the infinity stones exist at all and ended up in the hands of a genocidal madman is proof of his argument.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."My theory is still that all of the Stones regenerate when damaged. That's what the Aether did. While it's obviously the most fluid of the Stones, I figure that just means it regenerates faster, and it's impossible to truly destroy any of them.
But Thanos didn't have to bother waiting for the Mind Stone to be regenerated since he had the Time Stone and could just press the undo button.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.It's kind of getting away from Mordo's argument and outright blaming Strange for things that wasn't his fault. Mordo is anti-wizards because he feels wizards were outright causing more problems than they fixed and were too reckless to leave unchecked.
Putting the blame on tragedy striking on Strange not making different decisions is a different conversation entirely. Mordo likely wouldn't have advocated for destroying the stone either, especially not as an immediate reaction before exhausting all other possibilities.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:38:45 AM
The idea of destroying the Stones seems kind of weird to me. If they are somehow fundamentally connected to aspects of existence, then can they be destroyed at all? If so, wouldn't doing so have catastrophic consequences?
I mean, in the MCU, it is clearly possible, since we saw it happen. I expected more of an Earth-Shattering Kaboom than the little light show we got. Heck, Thor does more damage when he smashes things with his axe.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 2nd 2019 at 6:40:00 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I assume destroying the stones wouldn't destroy the concept they represent.
They're more like powerful remnants of whatever forces created those aspects of reality, and have dominion over them but are not necessary to their continued existence.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Really? So where did Vision come from.
Listen. I may hate Iron Man 3, but I'm not gonna say it never happened, so if I'm gonna tolerate that, I'm sure as hell not letting the movie I do like (Prima Nocta and the thing with Black Widow saying she's a monster was very very stupid, but I still like the movie despite both of those) get the it never happened treatment.
AOU is a thing. And it will stay a thing as long as Handsome Rob breathes.
And Handsome Rob will breathe as long as none of you know where I live, because I know some of you are crazy enough to snipe me.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 2nd 2019 at 7:30:28 AM
One Strip! One Strip!

It's not, and like I said, I didn't want to hijack the thread. Use your imagination regarding recent events. I know I already detoured enough as is.
So. MCU Sequels...
Assuming there's no Snap Back (though there likely will be, probably around the time of Gamora's death), I can see M'Baku rightly raising issue that Wakanda has seen nothing but hardship since opening up. I'm also curious how Doctor Strange will actually start with the Baron Mordo Sequel Hook.
Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:56:37 AM